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+Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 12:11:21 +0100
+From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
+To: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: [Axiom-developer] Error when compiling axiom, gcl issue?
+
+Hello Camm,
+
+Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com> writes:
+
+> Hi David!  Will I be able to reproduce this with latest cvs?  I'm
+> still a page behind with gnu-arch.
+
+In fact, I haven't been able to reproduce it myself. While doing a fresh
+recompilation to have compilation log, this time compilation completed
+without any error. As I also have your axiom package on my debian
+machine, I have probably messed up $PATH or $AXIOM variables. Sorry for
+the false alarm.
+
+
+> BTW, I'm getting bounces from your mail address.
+
+You can try with another one: dmentre@linux-france.org.
+
+BTW, I also have bounces from your email. It seems that wanadoo.fr (my
+ISP) don't want to talk to yours. :(
+
+From: MAILER-DAEMON@wanadoo.fr (Mail Delivery System)
+Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
+To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
+Envelope-to: david@localhost
+X-Sieve: Server Sieve 2.2
+X-Sent: 4 days, 14 hours, 24 minutes, 54 seconds ago
+
+This is the SMTP Server program at host wanadoo.fr.
+
+I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
+below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.
+
+For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>
+
+If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
+delete your own text from the message returned below.
+
+			The SMTP Server program
+<Camm@enhanced.com>: Name service error for enhanced.com: Host not found, try
+    again
+Reporting-MTA: dns; wanadoo.fr
+Arrival-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:58:56 +0100 (CET)
+
+Final-Recipient: rfc822; Camm@enhanced.com
+Action: failed
+Status: 4.0.0
+Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Name service error for enhanced.com: Host not
+    found, try again
+
+
+
+>  Another BTW, just released a new axiom Debian package,
+> 0.20040128-1, which built without a hitch for me and should eventually
+> make its way across all the other Debian platforms when the
+> autobuilders take hold.   This build used Debian's externally
+> installed gcl, 2.6.1-23, but I can't think of any changes since axiom
+> took a snapshot of the 2.6.1 tree which would explain this.
+
+As I said, my issue seems to have vanished in /dev/null. Anyway, if this
+issue reappears, you'll be the first to be informed. :)
+
+Sorry to have taken your time for a false alarm,
+
+\start
+Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 18:52:17 +0100
+From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
+To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Bug #5059 closed
+
+Hello,
+
+After a checking on my own side (did you said paranoid? :), I have
+closed bug #5059 (Axiom does not compile with upshifted characters in
+path). Tim has applyied Juergen patch. This opens the door to Mandrake,
+SuSE, Red Hat & Co. packaging (all packaging systems with upshift
+characters in path).
+
+\start
+Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 16:21:17 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: camm@enhanced.com, david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Mandrake
+
+speaking of Mandrake, GCL won't configure
+
+configure fails with:
+
+checking Checking for buggy gcc version from redhat... no
+configure: creating ./config.status
+config.status: creating makedefc
+sed: file /root/tmp/csz20d9T/subs-1.sed line 32: Unterminated 's' command
+config.status: creating windows/gcl.iss
+sed: file /root/tmp/csz20d9T/subs-1.sed line 32: Unterminated 's' command
+config.status: creating windows/gcl.ansi.iss
+sed: file /root/tmp/csz20d9T/subs-1.sed line 32: Unterminated 's' command
+config.status: creating windows/install.ansi.lsp
+sed: file /root/tmp/csz20d9T/subs-1.sed line 32: Unterminated 's' command
+config.status: creating windows/gcl.install.lsp
+....
+
+\start
+Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 23:20:59 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: tez@kamihira.com
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] ViewARCH
+
+Tez Kamihira,
+
+I understand you have an archive browser for GNU Arch.
+I can't seem to find the sources for it. Is it available?
+I'm trying to use GNU Arch for Axiom and a view would be useful.
+
+\start
+Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:40:17 +0900 (JST)
+To: daly@idsi.net
+From: Tez Kamihira <tez@kamihira.com>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: ViewARCH
+
+Hi,
+
+On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 23:20:59 -0500, root <daly@idsi.net> said:
+> Tez Kamihira,
+> 
+> I understand you have an archive browser for GNU Arch.
+> I can't seem to find the sources for it. Is it available?
+> I'm trying to use GNU Arch for Axiom and a view would be useful.
+> 
+
+Here it is:
+
+  http://arch.bluegate.org/download
+
+Sorry for tha lack of information. It's not so user-friendly yet.
+Feel free to send me e-mails until official ViewARCH project will
+be available on Savannah. I've already requested it.  ;-)
+
+\start
+Date: 02 Feb 2004 08:58:08 -0500
+From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+To: daly@idsi.net
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] Mandrake
+
+Greetings!  This is either a sed or more likely an emacs problem.  An
+emacs must be installed for gcl configure currently.  In general, the
+build-dependencies for GCL are listed in the head of the file
+debian/control -- installing these should make these problems go away,
+I'd wager.
+
+We can and should rework the configure not to require emacs, IMHO.  In
+fact, we may already have, if the user supplies --enable-emacsdir,
+though I haven't tested this.
+
+Please let me know if problems persist.
+
+Take care,
+
+root <daly@idsi.net> writes:
+
+> speaking of Mandrake, GCL won't configure
+> 
+> configure fails with:
+> 
+> checking Checking for buggy gcc version from redhat... no
+> configure: creating ./config.status
+> config.status: creating makedefc
+> sed: file /root/tmp/csz20d9T/subs-1.sed line 32: Unterminated 's' command
+> config.status: creating windows/gcl.iss
+> sed: file /root/tmp/csz20d9T/subs-1.sed line 32: Unterminated 's' command
+> config.status: creating windows/gcl.ansi.iss
+> sed: file /root/tmp/csz20d9T/subs-1.sed line 32: Unterminated 's' command
+> config.status: creating windows/install.ansi.lsp
+> sed: file /root/tmp/csz20d9T/subs-1.sed line 32: Unterminated 's' command
+> config.status: creating windows/gcl.install.lsp
+
+\start
+Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:12:58 +0100
+From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
+To: Tim Daly <axiom@tenkan.org>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Patch for clef & detailed procedure to make it using GNU Arch
+
+Hello Tim,
+
+As requested, here is the patch to make clef work as an Arch
+changeset. Please find below how I made it. I hope it is clear. If you
+have questions, do not hesitate to ask.
+
+
+BTW, I have made a mirror of my own Arch archive on the web:
+
+ dmentre@linux-france.org--2004-code  http://www.linux-france.org/~dmentre/arch-ive/
+
+The below changeset is available in this archive (as "axiom--clef--1").
+So, if you want, you can try to get my patch from there and try to play
+with "tla star-merge".
+
+
+
+In below explanation, following prefixes are used:
+ ###: for my comments
+
+ $: shell commands I typed
+
+ [ ]: my comments on tla output or things to do
+
+ the rest: tla output
+
+
+
+  Using tla to make a local changset of a remote tree
+  ===================================================
+
+Source:
+http://wiki.sourcecontrol.net/moin.cgi/Quick_20Introduction#head-81b77b0d13fff3dc6b98b64cd707f520e4ed32d5
+
+### make my own axiom branch for clef
+$ tla archive-setup axiom--clef--1
+* creating category dmentre@linux-france.org--2004-code/axiom
+* creating branch dmentre@linux-france.org--2004-code/axiom--clef
+* creating version dmentre@linux-france.org--2004-code/axiom--clef--1
+
+$ tla tag axiom@tenkan.org--axiom/axiom--release--1 axiom--clef--1
+* made tag dmentre@linux-france.org--2004-code/axiom--clef--1--base-0 => axiom@tenkan.org--axiom/axiom--release--1--patch-1
+
+### get a working copy of this branch
+$ tla get axiom--clef--1
+* from import revision: axiom@tenkan.org--axiom/axiom--release--1--base-0
+* patching for revision: axiom@tenkan.org--axiom/axiom--release--1--patch-1
+* patching for revision: dmentre@linux-france.org--2004-code/axiom--clef--1--base-0
+* making pristine copy
+* tree version set dmentre@linux-france.org--2004-code/axiom--clef--1
+
+### make modifications
+$ cd axiom--clef--1--base-0/
+[ edition of Axiom source code, complete compilation, cheking ]
+
+### commit modifications to my local archive
+$ tla changes --diffs
+[ look at the diff to see what has been modified ]
+
+$ tla make-log
+/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom--clef--1--base-0/++log.axiom--clef--1--dmentre@linux-france.org--2004-code
+
+$ emacs ++log.axiom--clef--1--dmentre@linux-france.org--2004-code
+[ make a proper log file ]
+
+$ tla commit
+[ a lot of output ]
+* update pristine tree (dmentre@linux-france.org--2004-code/axiom--clef--1--base-0 => axiom--clef--1--patch-1)
+* commited dmentre@linux-france.org--2004-code/axiom--clef--1--patch-1
+
+### get the latest changeset
+$ tla get-changeset axiom--clef--1--patch-1
+
+$ tar zcvf axiom--clef--1--patch-1.patches.tar.gz axiom--clef--1--patch-1.patches
+
+[ email axiom--clef--1--patch-1.patches.tar.gz to Tim :) ]
+
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+--=-=-=--
+
+\start
+Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:53:05 +0100
+From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
+To: Tim Daly <axiom@tenkan.org>
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Patch for clef & detailed procedure to make it using GNU Arch
+
+David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr> writes:
+
+> As requested, here is the patch to make clef work as an Arch
+> changeset.
+
+Tim, if you want to have a look at the content of the changeset I sent
+you, you can type following command after unzipping-untaring it:
+
+$ tla show-changeset --diffs axiom--clef--1--patch-1.patches
+
+
+The tla command apply-changeset (alias dopatch) should probably be used
+to apply the patch, I haven't used it however.
+
+\start
+Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 18:52:14 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: camm@enhanced.com
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] Mandrake
+
+Ah, so that's the problem. I did a minimal install because I only have
+a 2 Gig drive on that machine. I later tried to install emacs but there
+does not appear to be a possible correct ordering of the rpms so I failed.
+I'll try again. It is most frustrating.
+
+\start
+Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:25:55 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Patch for clef & detailed procedure to make it using GNU Arch
+
+I see you couldn't resist fixing other things :-)
+Note that Makefile.linux is an output file and the change
+really has to be applied to Makefile.pamphlet for it to be
+permanent. 
+
+I applied the patch and I'm going to try the same patch cycle as you did
+and see if I can also make it work.
+
+I didn't try the tla star-merge you suggested (yet).
+I'll try that change in the future.
+
+Thanks for the transcript and the testing.
+Most excellent work.
+
+\start
+Date: 02 Feb 2004 21:26:57 -0500
+From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+To: daly@idsi.net
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] redirecting *system-directory* in makeint.lisp
+
+Greetings!  Am just wondering why this is necessary.  I have to save
+*system-directory* before running makeint.lisp and restore it
+afterwards to enable the build to complete on architectures currently
+without save-system (ia64 mips alpha hppa), as GCL uses
+*system-directory* to find its include file cmpinclude.h when
+necessary. 
+
+\start
+Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:27:52 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: camm@enhanced.com
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: redirecting *system-directory* in makeint.lisp
+
+I believe that Axiom uses it to find external functions it runs.
+(Or maybe not. The actual reason is lost to time).
+Currently there are no external functions.
+
+\start
+Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:29:13 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] clef patch
+
+I've applied your clef changeset.
+You should be able to see it.
+I'm going to modify Makefile.pamphlet to permanently include
+your change to Makefile.linux by following your instructions.
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 07:22:00 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: camm@enhanced.com
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] Mandrake
+
+Camm,
+
+The unterminated 's' command in config.status is not related to emacs.
+I rebuilt the Mandrake box from scratch and installed emacs. Then I
+rebuilt GCL with the same result as before. Do you have a particular
+version of sed you require?
+
+\start
+Date: 03 Feb 2004 13:56:20 +0100
+From: Peter Simons <simons@cryp.to>
+To: Tim Daly <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: build bug
+
+Tim Daly writes:
+
+ > export AXIOM=/usr/local/src/axiom-current/mnt/linux
+ > export PATH=/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/bin:$PATH
+ > cd /usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp
+ > lisp
+ >> (load "makedep.lisp")
+
+ > if this fails please send me the makedep.lisp file.
+
+I attached it to this e-mail. The lisp interpreter crashed
+with a "fatal error [memory may be damaged]".
+
+Peter
+
+
+--=-=-=
+Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=makedep.lisp
+
+(load "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/sys-pkg")
+(push :oldboot *features*)
+(load "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/nocompil")
+(load "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/util")
+(in-package "BOOT")
+(build-depsys (quote ( "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/int/interp/vmlisp.lisp"  "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/int/interp/ggreater.lisp"  "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/int/interp/hash.lisp"  "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/int/interp/bootfuns.lisp"  "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/int/interp/union.lisp"  "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/int/interp/nlib.lisp"  "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/int/interp/macros.lisp"  "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/int/interp/comp.lisp"  "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/int/interp/spaderror.lisp"  "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/int/interp/debug.lisp"  "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/int/interp/spad.lisp"  "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/int/interp/bits.lisp"  "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/int/interp/setq.lisp"  "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/int/interp/property.lisp"  "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/int/interp/unlisp.lisp"  "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/int/interp/foam_l.lisp"  "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/int/interp/axext_l.lisp")) "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/mnt/!
+ linux" "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/lsp/gcl-2.6.1" "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/src" "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/int" "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj" "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/mnt" "linux")
+(unless (probe-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/postpar.o") (compile-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/postpar.lsp" :output-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/postpar.o"))
+(load "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/postpar")
+(unless (probe-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/parse.o") (compile-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/parse.lsp" :output-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/parse.o"))
+(load "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/parse")
+(unless (probe-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/parsing.o") (compile-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/parsing.lsp" :output-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/parsing.o"))
+(load "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/parsing")
+(unless (probe-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/metalex.o") (compile-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/metalex.lsp" :output-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/metalex.o"))
+(load "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/metalex")
+(unless (probe-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/bootlex.o") (compile-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/bootlex.lsp" :output-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/bootlex.o"))
+(load "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/bootlex")
+(unless (probe-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/newaux.o") (compile-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/newaux.lsp" :output-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/newaux.o"))
+(load "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/newaux")
+(unless (probe-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/preparse.o") (compile-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/preparse.lsp" :output-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/preparse.o"))
+(load "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/preparse")
+(unless (probe-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/postprop.o") (compile-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/postprop.lsp" :output-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/postprop.o"))
+(load "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/postprop")
+(unless (probe-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/def.o") (compile-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/def.lsp" :output-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/def.o"))
+(load "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/def")
+(unless (probe-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/metameta.o") (compile-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/metameta.lsp" :output-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/metameta.o"))
+(load "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/metameta")
+(unless (probe-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/fnewmeta.o") (compile-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/fnewmeta.lsp" :output-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/fnewmeta.o"))
+(load "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/fnewmeta")
+(unless (probe-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/clam.o") (compile-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/clam.lsp" :output-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/clam.o"))
+(load "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/clam")
+(unless (probe-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/slam.o") (compile-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/slam.lsp" :output-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/slam.o"))
+(load "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/slam")
+(unless (probe-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/g-boot.o") (compile-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/g-boot.lsp" :output-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/g-boot.o"))
+(load "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/g-boot")
+(unless (probe-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/c-util.o") (compile-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/c-util.lsp" :output-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/c-util.o"))
+(load "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/c-util")
+(unless (probe-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/g-util.o") (compile-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/g-util.lsp" :output-file "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/g-util.o"))
+(load "/usr/local/src/axiom-current/obj/linux/interp/g-util")
+
+
+\start
+Date: 03 Feb 2004 12:14:21 -0500
+From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+To: daly@idsi.net
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] Mandrake
+
+Hi Tim! OK, so some other variable to be substituted is not being set
+-- this usually is the emacs directory, but apparently not in this
+case.
+
+Please post the full configure output and config.log.  No special
+version of sed is required.
+
+Take care,
+
+root <daly@idsi.net> writes:
+
+> Camm,
+> 
+> The unterminated 's' command in config.status is not related to emacs.
+> I rebuilt the Mandrake box from scratch and installed emacs. Then I
+> rebuilt GCL with the same result as before. Do you have a particular
+> version of sed you require?
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 19:22:51 +0100
+From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
+To: daly@idsi.net
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Patch for clef & detailed procedure to make it using GNU Arch
+
+Hello Tim,
+
+root <daly@idsi.net> writes:
+
+> I see you couldn't resist fixing other things :-)
+
+Yes, unfortunatly. It goes against the clean changeset idea of Arch. And
+I'm not sure my "fixes" are correct at all. I'll try to avoid that in
+the future.
+
+> Note that Makefile.linux is an output file and the change
+> really has to be applied to Makefile.pamphlet for it to be
+> permanent. 
+
+Oops. Sorry. Thank you for the remainder.
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:17:02 +0100
+From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
+To: daly@idsi.net
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: clef patch
+
+Hello Tim,
+
+root <daly@idsi.net> writes:
+
+> I've applied your clef changeset.
+> You should be able to see it.
+
+I've got it. Apparently, you have integrated the patch as-is. 
+
+I also noticed that you did not provided a Summary when integrating the
+patch (see with "tla logs -s").
+
+If you make further modifications related to clef, I'll try to integrate
+them in my axiom--clef--1 tree.
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:13:00 -0500
+From: Tim Daly  <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>
+To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] axiom book
+
+David,
+
+Ok. The next task is to figure out the magic set of commands that
+will allow me to create a project which is a branch off the base
+axiom project. I have several branches that I want to create but
+I'll make the next branch the "working copy" of the book sources.
+That way we can all work on it.
+
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:10:14 +0100
+From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
+To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] [Q&A][2004-02-04] Current bug status
+
+Hello,
+
+We have currently 30[1] open bugs. Here is the list of them with some
+comments. I tried to sort them by severity, so that we could do our
+stable release as fast as possible.
+
+I'm new to this "job", so do not hesitate to criticize, add new bugs or
+add any things I have overlooked.
+
+And last but not least, each one of us should try to fix them. There is
+no magic silver bullet to fix bugs. :)
+
+
+I have used following severity levels:
+ 9 - Blocker: a show stopper bug. Must be fixed for our next stable
+              release (i.e. release critical)
+ 5 - Average: An annoying bug that should be fixed
+ 3 - Ordinary & 1 - None: feature wish and other low priority
+                          items. More a reminder than a bug.
+
+
+Item ID  Severity  	Status  	Summary
+=======  ========       ======          =======
+
+7585 	9 - Blocker 	Open 	The current free Axiom has no complete documentation 
+5906 	5 - Average 	Open 	TeX display of long variable names is broken 
+  Just a bad display. Reduce it at severity 3?
+
+4551 	5 - Average 	Open 	duplicate functions exists. optimizer complains during rebuild 
+  As far as I know, it does not impact Axiom compilation and
+  working. Reduce severity to 3?
+
+4552 	5 - Average 	Open 	protect* functions should be #:NAG only 
+  Tim-bug-that-I-don-t-understand-:-)
+
+4556 	5 - Average 	Open 	duplicate definition of a function in PSETCAT 
+
+4561 	5 - Average 	Open 	axiom option -rm no longer works 
+4562 	5 - Average 	Open 	axiom option -rv no longer works 
+
+4564 	5 - Average 	Open 	Axiom access to OpenMath library no longer works 
+  Apparently, this is a show stopper for at least one of our potential
+  user. 
+
+4582 	5 - Average 	Open 	Semantic Errors when building algebra 
+  I don't know if those are just warnings or real errors.
+
+4583 	5 - Average 	Open 	French error message when building SPLTREE 
+  Is it a real error or just a funny message?
+
+5786 	5 - Average 	Open 	TeX output broken on factor(15) 
+  Once again, a display error. Reduce severity to 3?
+
+6357 	5 - Average 	Open 	sqrt(-1/abs(x))-1/sqrt(-abs(x))=>0 
+
+6490 	5 - Average 	Open 	when is broken 
+  Should I move this one to severity 9?
+
+6863 	5 - Average 	Open 	The normal distribution should be numerically invertable 
+
+7376 	5 - Average 	Open 	integrate fails 
+  This one is fixed. -1.
+
+7527 	5 - Average 	Open 	Clef does not work 
+  This one is fixed. -1.
+
+6093 	5 - Average 	Open 	Missing tex-tags in axiom.sty 
+
+4580 	5 - Average 	Fix proposed 	With safety 3 activated, axiom does not compile 
+  Maybe I should reduce this one to severity 3? On the other side, I
+  wonder if some bugs are not lying in the underlying lisp.
+
+4733 	5 - Average 	Fix proposed 	Floating point error round(-3.77623) etc. 
+  A real issue. Should I increase to severity 9?
+
+5379 	5 - Average 	Fix proposed 	Missing algebra (was: package CombinatorialFunction (COMBF) is missing) 
+  Is it release critical? I don't think so.
+
+5743 	5 - Average 	Fix proposed 	Makefile issues: INTERP.EXPOSED is remade every time & typos in the algebra/Makefile 
+  Wasn't this one fixed?
+
+4553 	3 - Ordinary 	Open 	one? function calls need to be restored 
+4565 	3 - Ordinary 	Open 	log10 in GCL returns a bad value for log10(1000) 
+5614 	3 - Ordinary 	Open 	incorrect TeX output from radix() 
+5785 	3 - Ordinary 	Open 	partialFraction((2*x^3)::UP(x, FRAC INT), (1-x^2)) is not correctly expanded 
+6903 	3 - Ordinary 	Open 	Category compiles with the compiler but not within the interpreter 
+4578 	3 - Ordinary 	Open 	Underlying common lisp system should have a binding to OpenMATH library 
+5928 	2               Open 	Rethink TeX output design 
+5927 	1 - None 	Open 	Remove "latex" from algebra code 
+4585 	1 - None 	Open 	Lisp system should handle unlimited number of arguments 
+
+[1] In fact, after writing this email, I see we have only 28 bugs
+    left. :)
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 20:18:54 +0100
+From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
+To: Tim Daly <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: axiom book
+
+Hello Tim,
+
+Tim Daly <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> writes:
+
+> Ok. The next task is to figure out the magic set of commands that
+> will allow me to create a project which is a branch off the base
+> axiom project.
+
+I've looked at Arch tutorial and from what I have seen, the basic
+procedure is the same one as I used to do my clef work[1]:
+
+
+1. tla archive-setup axiom--axiom-book--1
+
+2. tla tag axiom@tekan.org--axiom/axiom--release--1 axiom--axiom-book--1
+
+3. tla get axiom--axiom-book--1
+
+[1] http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2004-02/msg00006.html
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:34:44 -0500
+From: Tim Daly  <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>
+To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: axiom book
+
+ok. I'll look at it tonight. (I'm lagged a bit because this is the
+first day of teaching and I'm creating the course from scratch
+(open source programming) so it's taxing.)
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:11:36 +0100
+From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
+To: daly@idsi.net
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Patch for clef & detailed procedure to make it using GNU Arch
+
+Hello Tim,
+
+root <daly@idsi.net> writes:
+
+> I didn't try the tla star-merge you suggested (yet).
+
+I have star-merged my axiom--clef--1 with your axiom--release--1.
+
+In other words, my axiom--clef--1--patch-2 is exactly the same as yours
+axiom--release--1--patch-2. 
+
+$ tla logs --merges
+patch-1
+patch-2
+    merges in:
+      axiom@tenkan.org--axiom/axiom--release--1--patch-2
+
+
+If you make further modificatons on clef, I'll try to see if I can keep
+my axiom--clef--1 in sync.
+
+PS: What I have done?
+
+tla star-merge axiom@tenkan.org--axiom/axiom--release--1
+tla make-log
+tla log-for-merge >> ++log.axiom--clef--1--dmentre\@linux-france.org--2004-code
+vi ./++log.axiom--clef--1--dmentre\@linux-france.org--2004-code
+tla commit
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:42:55 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Makefile.linux change
+
+Well it took a while to figure out but I succeeded.
+The change you made to Makefile.linux doesn't need to be 
+backported into the Makefile.pamphlet file because Makefile.linux
+will be automatically regenerated (since it is old) and the newly
+generated Makefile.linux will already have your fix applied.
+In fact the correct change is to delete the Makefile.linux file.
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:58:21 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] new patch
+
+On the arch main tree Makefile.linux has been removed.
+It took 2 tries to get the patch to take effect as I made a 
+mistake and applied the patch to the archive directory rather
+than the axiom tree (which arch did not complain about).
+There is no such thing as a simple job.
+
+On the CVS tree I have your clef changes and the Makefile.linux removal
+pending the result of a clean build/test running overnight. If the tests
+work I'll push your changes to savannah.
+
+I didn't get to the task of creating a branch on the arch main tree yet.
+I'll let you know when that happens.
+
+\start
+Date: 05 Feb 2004 11:35:36 -0500
+From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+To: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] [Q&A][2004-02-04] Current bug status
+
+Greetings!
+
+David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr> writes:
+
+> 4565 	3 - Ordinary 	Open 	log10 in GCL returns a bad value for log10(1000) 
+
+I know this one has been discussed before, and I thought Tim had some
+workaround, but if not can't we just do this?
+
+(defun ilog10 (x) (multiple-value-bind (x y) (round (log x 10)) x))
+
+ILOG10
+
+>(ilog10 1000)
+
+3
+
+\start
+Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 22:19:19 +0100
+From: David MENTRE <dmentre@linux-france.fr>
+To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] [Inmaculada Medina Bulo] Polynomials in ACL2
+
+Hello,
+
+I've seen this email on ACL2 mailing list. Apparently, this person as
+done some verification of (very simple) properties of polynomials. Might
+be of some interest in the future if somebody wants to tackle Formal
+Verification of Axiom.
+
+--=-=-=
+From: Inmaculada Medina Bulo <inmaculada.medina@uca.es>
+To: acl2-help@lists.cc.utexas.edu
+Subject: Polynomials in ACL2
+Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:26:50 +0100
+
+El Viernes, 6 de Febrero de 2004 23:43, Julien Schmaltz escribió:
+> Hi,
+>
+> I need to perform basic operations on polynomials: addition, substraction,
+> multiplication and division of two polynomials P(x) and M(x).
+> Have someone already worked with these objects? In that case, is there a
+> book I can use?
+
+Hi Julien,
+
+Sorry for the delay in replying.
+
+I have implemented and certified a book about polynomials. In this book, you 
+can find addition and multiplication of  two polynomials, and negation of a 
+polynomial. The fundamental properties have been verified with ACL2. However, 
+it does not include division of polynomials.
+
+I presented a paper about this, "Automatic Verification of Polynomial Rings 
+Fundamental Properties in ACL2", in ACL2 Workshop 2000.
+
+This paper presents a formalization of multivariate polynomials over a 
+coefficient field (initially, Q) along with the verification of its ring 
+properties. Later, I formalized multivariate polynomials over an arbitrary 
+(abstract) ring.
+
+However, an inconvenient is that this particular formalization is not 
+efficient. In fact,  I have the intention of improving it.
+
+Regards, Inma
+
+-- 
+Inmaculada Medina Bulo
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 01:03:11 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] gnu-arch and branches
+
+I'm experimenting with gnu-arch branches and I believe I understand
+the process now. There currently is a main line of code called
+axiom--release--1 and one branch called axiom--book--1.
+
+The basic idea is that you decide you want to work on some 
+subproject (say, the book or the graphics). There will be
+a branch for that subproject. All changes are made on that
+branch. These branch changes will NOT appear in the main
+branch.
+
+Anyone can grab and modify any branch, commit the changes
+to that branch, and then go work on something else.
+
+Once I get this all worked out I have a dozen or so branches
+to create. If you want your own branch I can create one for
+you. When a branch is sufficiently mature it will get merged
+into the main branch. I'll produce a document describing
+the purpose of each branch that I create.
+
+The main branch will (after testing) be copied on the main
+axiom website in the savannah CVS system.
+
+The purpose of this exercise is twofold: first to try to figure 
+out a way that all of us can pursue our own goals for axiom and
+second to figure out a peer-to-peer development model rather
+than a thin pipe thru me.
+
+David, you have your own website and we should try your
+suggestion of "star" merging using the axiom--book--1
+branch. 
+
+The current axiom--book--1 branch contains the book source
+(src/doc/book.pamphlet) in its latest form. This branch is
+intended for all book-related changes.
+
+If any of this is unclear to any of you feel free to ask 
+questions. It took me a long time to work this stuff out
+and I still have a few wrinkles to understand.
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:08:06 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] [agrawal@ias.edu: Re: Axiom, Literate Programming, and Primes is in P.]
+
+I just got this message. This is why science and open source programming
+are such compatible disciplines. I've converted this paper and am working
+on making it part of the documentation. They have done an excellent job
+of writing a literate program covering almost all the bases that are
+needed to fully document computational mathematics. All it really needs
+is an axiom implementation.
+
+The work in progress is in the axiom--book--1 branch.
+
+t
+
+------- Start of forwarded message -------
+Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:20:30 -0500
+From: Manindra Agrawal <agrawal@ias.edu>
+To: daly@idsi.net
+Subject: Re: Axiom, Literate Programming, and Primes is in P.
+In-Reply-To: <200312010319.hB13Jcj03659@localhost.localdomain>
+
+
+Hi. I was clearing up my mailbox today and saw your mail. I had missed 
+replying to it.
+Sorry.
+
+>I'd like permission to use your paper as a primary "standard" example
+>of how literate programs should be constructed.
+>  
+>
+Please go ahead with it.
+
+best regards,
+
+- - Manindra
+------- End of forwarded message -------
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:58:20 -0500
+From: Tim Daly  <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>
+To: caruso@posso.dm.unipi.it
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: My Maxima Zeilberger
+
+Fabrizio wrote:
+>
+>I am now working on optimizations
+>and I still have to check the results of my benchmark
+>against Mathematica's equivalent package.
+>
+>
+>Was the "fast_linsolve" command ever implemented 
+>in MaXima? 
+
+I've never used any solution package in Maxima.
+
+>This command could make hypergeometric summation
+>in Maxima MUCH faster because the bottle of the
+>algorithm is a sparse system of linear equations
+>with polynomial/rational coefficients.
+
+I believe that PLEQN might do what you want.
+
+>
+>The manual describes the command but it seems
+>to me that it is not availale in the GNU Maxima. 
+>Please let me know whether it exists as a separate
+>package.
+
+Check with the maxima mailing list..
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:07:01 -0500
+From: William Sit <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
+To: Tim Daly <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: My Maxima Zeilberger
+Cc: caruso@posso.dm.unipi.it
+
+Tim Daly wrote:
+> 
+> Fabrizio wrote:
+> >
+> >I am now working on optimizations
+> >and I still have to check the results of my benchmark
+> >against Mathematica's equivalent package.
+> >
+> >
+> >Was the "fast_linsolve" command ever implemented
+> >in MaXima?
+> 
+> I've never used any solution package in Maxima.
+> 
+> >This command could make hypergeometric summation
+> >in Maxima MUCH faster because the bottle of the
+> >algorithm is a sparse system of linear equations
+> >with polynomial/rational coefficients.
+> 
+> I believe that PLEQN might do what you want.
+
+As the author of PLEQN (in Axiom), I am sorry to say that the package is not
+suitable for any large system, even if it is sparse. Certain subroutines in that
+package would need to be made more efficient to take care of the sparse
+structure (not just sparseness). For example, if your system is sparse and
+bilinear (that is the coefficients are linear in their variables), you may try a
+heuristic algorithm. Fritz Schwartz has done something like that in his LODO
+package (in Axiom, and perhaps also in Reduce), I believe. I think Thomas Wolf
+also has some package (in Maple?). Clemens Ballarin has done some comparisons.
+
+Mathematica also has a decent command Reduce that may work, but I do not know
+what algorithm is used.
+
+\start
+Date: 12 Feb 2004 09:43:16 -0500
+From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+To: Tim Daly <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Axiom build issues
+
+Greetings!  We're preparing for the gcl 2.6.2 stable release, which
+will hopefully be the last stable for quite some time as we turn our
+attention to the development branch.  Of course it is very important
+for us to make sure this release is solid for axiom.  And its looking
+quite good so far -- no apparent build problems (due to GCL) on any of
+the Debian architectures (see
+
+http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?pkg=axiom 
+
+if interested).  There are a few small items I'd like to squeeze in,
+the most important being to ensure that GCL exits with non-zero when
+stdin is redirected from a file or pipe and a lisp error is triggered
+-- this will stop the commands executed by make at that point.  And
+there should be an option to quiet the banner.
+
+Along these lines, I have a question about the regression tests.  It
+would be nice if the output was compared to results known to be
+correct, with the build bailing out otherwise.  Then one can be sure
+by the mere fact that the build completes that the build is also
+correct, (i.e. without having to wade through the output by hand).  Is
+something like this already in place or possible?
+
+There are a few other items in the Debian package build which are not
+GCL related per se.  One is that the build will timeout on slow
+machines when compiling expexpand.spad.  As was noted before, there
+appears to be an inordinate amount of mysterious bignum garbage, or at
+least relocatable garbage, being generated here which could be tracked
+down at some point.  For the time being I've put in a hack to echo a
+string every 15min in the background for some period while the make is
+running.  Another alternative would be to turn on si::*notify-gbc*,
+but this would enlarge an already copious output.
+
+Then there is the question of the outstanding patch we're using in
+Debian now 1) to use an external GCL, and 2) to use compiler::link to
+build the image on machines which cannot do native relocations (alpha
+ia64 mips(el) hppa).  Its fine the way it is, but I'm wondering if at
+some point we can put in an alternate build target in the Makefiles
+supporting these build commands in axiom per se.  I'd be happy to
+maintain them if/when we decide on a rule structure.  The sequence
+right now works without issue, but GCL could make this more
+transparent on these platforms eventually.  Improvements in this area
+should however be put off to the next stable release which will likely
+be quite some time in the future.
+
+On a totally different topic, has anyone written an emacs mode for
+axiom?  I tried out the texmacs interface with the Debian package and
+its broken.  There is a simple isse regarding paths and executable
+names that I can workout with the texmacs maintainer.  But this aside,
+one still gets garbage using the mode, at least for me.
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:11:57 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: Joris van der Hoeven <vdhoeven@texmacs.org>, Chris Sangwin <sangwinc@for.mat.bham.ac.uk>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Axiom's latex output
+
+Joris, 
+
+Chris has raised issues similar to ones you raised in the past.
+Is there a common set of "standard latex" primitives you both use?
+If so, we can create another latex output format such as
+  )set output texmacs
+that could satify both needs.
+
+> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:09:43 +0000 (GMT)
+> From: Chris Sangwin <sangwinc@for.mat.bham.ac.uk>
+> To: root <daly@idsi.net>
+> Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] TeX vs LaTeX output on AXIOM
+> 
+> Many thanks Tim for your swift response.  
+> 
+> I'd certainly like to know more about Joris' "standard latex".  I've not
+> picked up this thread.  I expect a flexible solution would satisfy us
+> both.  Where is the TeX function defined in the Source.  This is my first
+> adventure into the AXIOM source, and I have no idea where to begin.
+> 
+> Thanks
+> Chris
+> 
+> 
+> On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, root wrote:
+> 
+> > Chris,
+> > 
+> > Sorry for the delay. I had to prepare for a class.
+> > 
+> > As I understand it you would rather have \frac rather than \over
+> > as output for fractions, for example. Since we have the source
+> > clearly this can be changed. Unfortunately the change is not likely
+> > to be simple because the forms are in different order. You would
+> > like 
+> > 
+> > {a} \over {b}   => \frace{a}{b}
+> > 
+> > I'll look to see where the latex for \over is created.
+> > Is it possible to define \over in a .sty file on your side?
+> > 
+> > Joris has a similar complaint. I'm unsure if his "standard latex"
+> > is the same as your "standard latex"
+> > 
+> > 
+> > An alternative path, which I've also mentioned to Joris, is to 
+> > keep the current output unchanged and implement another output
+> > (HTML-tool, Texmacs) for the different front ends.
+> > 
+> > Tim Daly
+> > axiom@tenkan.org
+> > daly@idsi.net
+> > 
+> > 
+> 
+> 
+> > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:20:38 +0100 (CET)
+> > From: Joris van der Hoeven <vdhoeven@texmacs.org>
+> > To: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
+> > Cc: Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>,
+> >    <axiom@texmacs.org>, "'Joris van der Hoeven'" <vdhoeven@texmacs.org>
+> > Subject: Re: TeXmacs / AXIOM under SuSE 8.0
+> > 
+> > 
+> > The brackets around exponents are superfluous in the LaTeX output.
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:24:28 +0100 (CET)
+From: Joris van der Hoeven <vdhoeven@texmacs.org>
+To: root <daly@idsi.net>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom's latex output
+Cc: Chris Sangwin <sangwinc@for.mat.bham.ac.uk>, Joris van der Hoeven <vdhoeven@texmacs.org>
+
+On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, root wrote:
+> Chris has raised issues similar to ones you raised in the past.
+> Is there a common set of "standard latex" primitives you both use?
+> If so, we can create another latex output format such as
+>   )set output texmacs
+> that could satify both needs.
+
+1) Most of it is standard LaTeX.
+2) Do not use TeX-oddities like \over and \atop.
+3) Do not perform manual line-breaking.
+4) Use \* for multiplication and \big. as a delimiter in
+   \sum_{i=1}^n i \big.
+
+For the rest, just try, and let me know if you have a problem.
+
+> > Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:09:43 +0000 (GMT)
+> > From: Chris Sangwin <sangwinc@for.mat.bham.ac.uk>
+> > To: root <daly@idsi.net>
+> > Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] TeX vs LaTeX output on AXIOM
+> >
+> > Many thanks Tim for your swift response.
+> >
+> > I'd certainly like to know more about Joris' "standard latex".  I've not
+> > picked up this thread.  I expect a flexible solution would satisfy us
+> > both.  Where is the TeX function defined in the Source.  This is my first
+> > adventure into the AXIOM source, and I have no idea where to begin.
+> >
+> > Thanks
+> > Chris
+> >
+> >
+> > On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, root wrote:
+> >
+> > > Chris,
+> > >
+> > > Sorry for the delay. I had to prepare for a class.
+> > >
+> > > As I understand it you would rather have \frac rather than \over
+> > > as output for fractions, for example. Since we have the source
+> > > clearly this can be changed. Unfortunately the change is not likely
+> > > to be simple because the forms are in different order. You would
+> > > like
+> > >
+> > > {a} \over {b}   => \frace{a}{b}
+> > >
+> > > I'll look to see where the latex for \over is created.
+> > > Is it possible to define \over in a .sty file on your side?
+> > >
+> > > Joris has a similar complaint. I'm unsure if his "standard latex"
+> > > is the same as your "standard latex"
+> > >
+> > > An alternative path, which I've also mentioned to Joris, is to
+> > > keep the current output unchanged and implement another output
+> > > (HTML-tool, Texmacs) for the different front ends.
+> > >
+> > > Tim Daly
+> > > axiom@tenkan.org
+> > > daly@idsi.net
+> >
+> > > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:20:38 +0100 (CET)
+> > > From: Joris van der Hoeven <vdhoeven@texmacs.org>
+> > > To: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
+> > > Cc: Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>,
+> > >    <axiom@texmacs.org>, "'Joris van der Hoeven'" <vdhoeven@texmacs.org>
+> > > Subject: Re: TeXmacs / AXIOM under SuSE 8.0
+> > >
+> > >
+> > > The brackets around exponents are superfluous in the LaTeX output.
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:25:33 +0000 (GMT)
+From: Chris Sangwin <sangwinc@for.mat.bham.ac.uk>
+To: root <daly@idsi.net>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom's latex output
+Cc: Joris van der Hoeven <vdhoeven@texmacs.org>
+
+>From my end, I have very basic requirement and only need the very simple
+standard LaTeX 2e commands.  
+
+I intend to pipe the output through TtH, which won't allow any
+packages to be loaded with the \usepackage command.  For me the simpler
+the better.   
+
+How much detail would you like?
+
+On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, root wrote:
+
+> Joris, 
+> 
+> Chris has raised issues similar to ones you raised in the past.
+> Is there a common set of "standard latex" primitives you both use?
+> If so, we can create another latex output format such as
+>   )set output texmacs
+> that could satify both needs.
+> 
+> > Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:09:43 +0000 (GMT)
+> > From: Chris Sangwin <sangwinc@for.mat.bham.ac.uk>
+> > To: root <daly@idsi.net>
+> > Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] TeX vs LaTeX output on AXIOM
+> > 
+> > Many thanks Tim for your swift response.  
+> > 
+> > I'd certainly like to know more about Joris' "standard latex".  I've not
+> > picked up this thread.  I expect a flexible solution would satisfy us
+> > both.  Where is the TeX function defined in the Source.  This is my first
+> > adventure into the AXIOM source, and I have no idea where to begin.
+> > 
+> > Thanks
+> > Chris
+> > 
+> > 
+> > On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, root wrote:
+> > 
+> > > Chris,
+> > > 
+> > > Sorry for the delay. I had to prepare for a class.
+> > > 
+> > > As I understand it you would rather have \frac rather than \over
+> > > as output for fractions, for example. Since we have the source
+> > > clearly this can be changed. Unfortunately the change is not likely
+> > > to be simple because the forms are in different order. You would
+> > > like 
+> > > 
+> > > {a} \over {b}   => \frace{a}{b}
+> > > 
+> > > I'll look to see where the latex for \over is created.
+> > > Is it possible to define \over in a .sty file on your side?
+> > > 
+> > > Joris has a similar complaint. I'm unsure if his "standard latex"
+> > > is the same as your "standard latex"
+> > > 
+> > > 
+> > > An alternative path, which I've also mentioned to Joris, is to 
+> > > keep the current output unchanged and implement another output
+> > > (HTML-tool, Texmacs) for the different front ends.
+> > > 
+> > > Tim Daly
+> > > axiom@tenkan.org
+> > > daly@idsi.net
+> > > 
+> > > 
+> > 
+> > 
+> > > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:20:38 +0100 (CET)
+> > > From: Joris van der Hoeven <vdhoeven@texmacs.org>
+> > > To: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
+> > > Cc: Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>,
+> > >    <axiom@texmacs.org>, "'Joris van der Hoeven'" <vdhoeven@texmacs.org>
+> > > Subject: Re: TeXmacs / AXIOM under SuSE 8.0
+> > > 
+> > > 
+> > > The brackets around exponents are superfluous in the LaTeX output.
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:26:14 +0000 (GMT)
+From: Chris Sangwin <sangwinc@for.mat.bham.ac.uk>
+To: Joris van der Hoeven <vdhoeven@texmacs.org>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom's latex output
+
+This would be fine with me.  
+Many thanks indeed.
+Chris
+
+On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, Joris van der Hoeven wrote:
+
+> 
+> On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, root wrote:
+> > Chris has raised issues similar to ones you raised in the past.
+> > Is there a common set of "standard latex" primitives you both use?
+> > If so, we can create another latex output format such as
+> >   )set output texmacs
+> > that could satify both needs.
+> 
+> 1) Most of it is standard LaTeX.
+> 2) Do not use TeX-oddities like \over and \atop.
+> 3) Do not perform manual line-breaking.
+> 4) Use \* for multiplication and \big. as a delimiter in
+>    \sum_{i=1}^n i \big.
+> 
+> For the rest, just try, and let me know if you have a problem.
+> 
+> > > Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:09:43 +0000 (GMT)
+> > > From: Chris Sangwin <sangwinc@for.mat.bham.ac.uk>
+> > > To: root <daly@idsi.net>
+> > > Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] TeX vs LaTeX output on AXIOM
+> > >
+> > > Many thanks Tim for your swift response.
+> > >
+> > > I'd certainly like to know more about Joris' "standard latex".  I've not
+> > > picked up this thread.  I expect a flexible solution would satisfy us
+> > > both.  Where is the TeX function defined in the Source.  This is my first
+> > > adventure into the AXIOM source, and I have no idea where to begin.
+> > >
+> > > Thanks
+> > > Chris
+> > >
+> > >
+> > > On Thu, 12 Feb 2004, root wrote:
+> > >
+> > > > Chris,
+> > > >
+> > > > Sorry for the delay. I had to prepare for a class.
+> > > >
+> > > > As I understand it you would rather have \frac rather than \over
+> > > > as output for fractions, for example. Since we have the source
+> > > > clearly this can be changed. Unfortunately the change is not likely
+> > > > to be simple because the forms are in different order. You would
+> > > > like
+> > > >
+> > > > {a} \over {b}   => \frace{a}{b}
+> > > >
+> > > > I'll look to see where the latex for \over is created.
+> > > > Is it possible to define \over in a .sty file on your side?
+> > > >
+> > > > Joris has a similar complaint. I'm unsure if his "standard latex"
+> > > > is the same as your "standard latex"
+> > > >
+> > > > An alternative path, which I've also mentioned to Joris, is to
+> > > > keep the current output unchanged and implement another output
+> > > > (HTML-tool, Texmacs) for the different front ends.
+> > > >
+> > > > Tim Daly
+> > > > axiom@tenkan.org
+> > > > daly@idsi.net
+> > >
+> > > > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:20:38 +0100 (CET)
+> > > > From: Joris van der Hoeven <vdhoeven@texmacs.org>
+> > > > To: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
+> > > > Cc: Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>,
+> > > >    <axiom@texmacs.org>, "'Joris van der Hoeven'" <vdhoeven@texmacs.org>
+> > > > Subject: Re: TeXmacs / AXIOM under SuSE 8.0
+> > > >
+> > > >
+> > > > The brackets around exponents are superfluous in the LaTeX output.
+
+\start
+Date: 12 Feb 2004 13:09:03 -0500
+From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+To: Frederic Lehobey <Frederic.Lehobey@free.fr>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: Bug#231800: axiom: )edit command broken
+Cc: 231800@bugs.debian.org
+
+forwarded 231800 axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+thanks
+
+Greetings, and thanks for your report!  
+
+How should the SPADEDIT entry be set?  And how should the mapping be
+made from object module to source file?
+
+Take care,
+
+Frederic Lehobey <Frederic.Lehobey@free.fr> writes:
+
+> Package: axiom
+> Version: 0.20040128-3
+> Severity: normal
+> 
+> The command )show is broken (see below).  Moreover, even if the
+> /usr/lib/axiom-0.20040128/lib/SPADEDIT was set, the path would still
+> be incorrect:
+> 
+>   /usr/lib/axiom-0.20040128/../../src/algebra/BASTYPE.spad
+> 
+> should actually be
+> 
+>   /usr/lib/axiom-0.20040128/src/algebra/catdef.spad .
+> 
+> Thanks,
+> Frederic
+> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ an axiom session ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+> (1) -> )show BASTYPE
+>  BasicType  is a category constructor
+>  Abbreviation for BasicType is BASTYPE 
+>  This constructor is exposed in this frame.
+>  Issue )edit /usr/lib/axiom-0.20040128/../../src/algebra/BASTYPE.spad to=
+ 
+> see algebra source code for BASTYPE 
+> 
+> ------------------------------- Operations ------------------------------=
+--
+>  ?=? : (%,%) -> Boolean                ?~=? : (%,%) -> Boolean
+> 
+> (1) -> )edit /usr/lib/axiom-0.20040128/../../src/algebra/BASTYPE.spad
+> sh: line 1: /usr/lib/axiom-0.20040128/lib/SPADEDIT: Aucun fichier ou 
+> r=C3=A9pertoire de ce type
+> 
+> 
+> -- System Information:
+> Debian Release: testing/unstable
+>   APT prefers unstable
+>   APT policy: (500, 'unstable')
+> Architecture: powerpc (ppc)
+> Kernel: Linux 2.4.22-powerpc
+> Locale: LANG=fr_FR@euro.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR@euro.UTF-8
+> 
+> Versions of packages axiom depends on:
+> ii  libc6                     2.3.2.ds1-11   GNU C Library: Shared librar=
+ies an
+> ii  libgmp3                   4.1.2-3        Multiprecision arithmetic li=
+brary
+> ii  libncurses5               5.3.20030719-5 Shared libraries for termina=
+l hand
+> ii  libreadline4              4.3-10         GNU readline and history lib=
+raries
+> 
+> -- debconf information:
+> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
+> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
+> 	LANGUAGE = (unset),
+> 	LC_ALL = (unset),
+> 	LANG = "fr_FR@euro.UTF-8"
+>     are supported and installed on your system.
+> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
+> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
+> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directo=
+ry
+> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:50:49 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: camm@enhanced.com
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Bug#231800: axiom: )edit command broken
+Cc: Frederic.Lehobey@free.fr, 231800@bugs.debian.org
+
+yes, SPADEDIT is broken.
+The issue is that catdef.spad is expanded into its component parts
+during the compile process. 
+
+Thus, during system make:
+
+  catdef.spad.pamphlet -> BASTYPE.spad (and other component categories)
+  
+The compiler puts the name of the source (BASTYPE.spad) into the 
+NRLIB of the file it is compiling.
+
+The database build process collects these NRLIB entries.
+
+The )show command uses these entries for the output line:
+
+  Issue )edit /usr/lib/axiom-0.20040128/../../src/algebra/BASTYPE.spad to 
+  see algebra source code for BASTYPE 
+
+The problem is that the name of the originating pamphlet file is not
+preserved anywhere. The fix might be to have the pamphlet expansion
+process put a line like:
+
+)origin catdef.spad.pamphlet
+
+in the generated BASTYPE.spad file and then have the compiler use
+that name in the NRLIB.
+
+I'll put it on the todo list.
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:13:45 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: camm@enhanced.com
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Axiom build issues
+
+> Greetings!  We're preparing for the gcl 2.6.2 stable release, which
+> will hopefully be the last stable for quite some time as we turn our
+> attention to the development branch.  Of course it is very important
+> for us to make sure this release is solid for axiom.  And its looking
+> quite good so far -- no apparent build problems (due to GCL) on any of
+> the Debian architectures (see
+> 
+> http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?pkg=axiom 
+> 
+> if interested).  There are a few small items I'd like to squeeze in,
+> the most important being to ensure that GCL exits with non-zero when
+> stdin is redirected from a file or pipe and a lisp error is triggered
+> -- this will stop the commands executed by make at that point.  And
+> there should be an option to quiet the banner.
+
+Actually it would be more useful if the banner were written to a lisp
+variable. Then I could manipulate the string into the axiom banner in
+a clean way.
+
+> 
+> Along these lines, I have a question about the regression tests.  It
+> would be nice if the output was compared to results known to be
+> correct, with the build bailing out otherwise.  Then one can be sure
+> by the mere fact that the build completes that the build is also
+> correct, (i.e. without having to wade through the output by hand).  Is
+> something like this already in place or possible?
+
+There used to be a regression test run that compared the output.
+There are some subtle issues but these are taken care of by that code.
+In particular, you need to distinguish between bug that you didn't cause
+and bugs you did (while testing boundary cases, etc). To do that you 
+  )set msg test on
+which is an historical switch I used for exactly this purpose. 
+It will generate a "DALYBUG" message when an error occurs. If you
+wrap your deliberately failing test by turning this switch on you
+can tell that the bug is expected.
+
+I'll put revival of this code on the todo list.
+
+> 
+> There are a few other items in the Debian package build which are not
+> GCL related per se.  One is that the build will timeout on slow
+> machines when compiling expexpand.spad.  As was noted before, there
+> appears to be an inordinate amount of mysterious bignum garbage, or at
+> least relocatable garbage, being generated here which could be tracked
+> down at some point.  For the time being I've put in a hack to echo a
+> string every 15min in the background for some period while the make is
+> running.  Another alternative would be to turn on si::*notify-gbc*,
+> but this would enlarge an already copious output.
+
+This is clearly a bug somewhere. If you can get a clue about what
+routine it is running that would focus the search.
+
+> 
+> Then there is the question of the outstanding patch we're using in
+> Debian now 1) to use an external GCL, and 2) to use compiler::link to
+> build the image on machines which cannot do native relocations (alpha
+> ia64 mips(el) hppa).  Its fine the way it is, but I'm wondering if at
+> some point we can put in an alternate build target in the Makefiles
+> supporting these build commands in axiom per se.  I'd be happy to
+> maintain them if/when we decide on a rule structure.  The sequence
+> right now works without issue, but GCL could make this more
+> transparent on these platforms eventually.  Improvements in this area
+> should however be put off to the next stable release which will likely
+> be quite some time in the future.
+
+We could easily make this change. Look at the top level Makefile.pamphlet.
+Each system can have its own Makefile generated. To get this working you
+
+
+(a) copy the \subsection{Makefile.linux} in Makefile.pamphlet (line 813)
+(b) create a \subsection{Makefile.debian} and rename linux to debian.
+(c) set your AXIOM variable to:
+      AXIOM=(yourpath)/axiom/mnt/debian
+(d) type make
+
+and you'll get a Makefile.debian built from your new <<Makefile.debian>>
+chunk. You can change that chunk any way you like. 
+
+> 
+> On a totally different topic, has anyone written an emacs mode for
+> axiom?  I tried out the texmacs interface with the Debian package and
+> its broken.  There is a simple isse regarding paths and executable
+> names that I can workout with the texmacs maintainer.  But this aside,
+> one still gets garbage using the mode, at least for me.
+
+I'm unaware of an axiom emacs mode. Likely it would just be a clone of
+an existing mode. Axiom used to have emacs tags automatically generated
+so that you could walk among the axiom source files using keystrokes.
+Tagging should come back and I believe there is lisp code in Axiom to
+create the tags already.
+
+I'll put revival of this code on the todo list.
+
+I've set up axiom for development purposes using the gnu-arch system.
+This allows multiple branches for development. If you want to experiment
+with GCL related changes we can set up an axiom--gcl--1 branch for you.
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:55:52 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Axiom-mail] TeX vs LaTeX output on AXIOM
+Cc: dtroeger@cssfs0.engr.ccny.cuny.edu, gilbert@sci.ccny.cuny.edu
+
+Bill,
+
+I've created a branch called axiom--crystal--1 which creates a new
+subdirectory src/crystal. In that subdirectory is a file all.spad
+which shows work I've been doing on the question you raised about
+the algebra lattice.
+
+In particular, all.spad was created as follows:
+
+(1) all of the spad files were concatenated
+       
+   This creates the pile of existing code that needs to be considered.
+
+(2) all documentation strings were removed
+
+   We're only after the relationship of code to code so we don't need docs.
+
+(3) all function implementation code was removed
+
+   We're interested in the category and domain relationship so we don't 
+   need to know how functions work.
+
+(4) Each unique category and domain signature line is broken out and
+    classified so it can be parsed. 
+
+   This allows us to find the general and specific patterns that are
+   used within the categories and domains. 
+
+I'm currently working on step (4). This will allow us to write code
+to automatically generate the lattice. From that code we can create
+a lattice-based browser which is planned to be one of the many facets
+of the crystal interface.
+
+
+Crystal, in case I haven't mentioned it, is my attack on the 30-year
+problem of merging the mathematics with the code. Literate programming
+is just an initial step. We can clearly parse the code in a literate
+program but we can't yet do anything with the mathematics. Crystal
+is an effort to attack this.
+
+The fundamental "mental picture" of the crystal idea has 2 parts.
+ 
+Part 1 is like a huge knotted ball of string in space. This data
+structure (now called a "Jenks graph" (named after Dick Jenks))
+contains nodes and links. The nodes are data structures similar
+to "concepts" in a semantic network or a knowledge-base system.
+The links are also data-structures which contain relational 
+semantics between the nodal concepts. I have code to support the
+Jenks graph in common lisp but have not yet uploaded it as it is
+still "in process". It will eventually show up in the src/crystal
+directory and I'll let you know when it is there.
+
+Part 2 is like a huge, hollow crystal that surrounds the Jenks graph.
+The crystal is also a data structure (called a "Susan graph") which
+contains "facets". Facets are ways of looking at a Jenks graph. The
+easiest (albeit too shallow) way of thinking about a facet is that
+you compute some information from the Jenks graph and pipe it into 
+a display program (the facet) like a browser tab.
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:02:53 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: sangwinc@for.mat.bham.ac.uk
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom's latex output
+Cc: vdhoeven@texmacs.org
+
+Chris,
+
+Is your code someplace where I can download it?
+I'd like to look at what you're trying to do.
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:02:07 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: axiom-mail@nongnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] [caviness@mail.eecis.udel.edu: Jenks Prize --- call for Nominations]
+
+------- Start of forwarded message -------
+To: daly@idsi.net
+Subject: Jenks Prize --- call for Nominations
+Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:45:06 -0500
+From: B F (Bob) Caviness <caviness@mail.eecis.udel.edu>
+
+Tim,
+
+Would appreciate your forwarding this message to the Axiom mailing list.
+
+Best regards,
+Bob Caviness 
+- ----------
+                   Call for Nominations
+                           for the
+                     Richard D. Jenks Prize 
+                       for Excellence in
+              Computer Algebra Software Engineering
+
+The first Richard D. Jenks Memorial Prize for excellence in software
+engineering for computer algebra will be awarded at ISSAC 2004 in
+Santander, Spain in July, 2004.  The prize will consist of a plaque and
+a cash award of $1,000.
+
+Nominations, including self nominations, for this prize are hereby
+solicited.  The deadline for receipt of all nominations is May 1, 2004.
+
+More details and nomination forms can be found at
+http://www.cis.udel.edu/~caviness/callForNominees.html
+------- End of forwarded message -------
+
+\start
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+\start
+Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:14:46 -0500
+From: "Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca>
+To: "Axiom-Developer (E-mail)" <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] FW: [TeXmacs] LiveTeXmacs-1.0.3.3 CDROM released
+Cc: chu-ching huang <cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw>, =?iso-8859-1?Q?=27Of?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?fray_Vladimir_Luna_C=E1rdenas=27?=	<offray.luna@javeriana.edu.co>
+
+Tim, et al.
+
+I think it would be great if we could get Axiom into
+a state where it could be included on one of these
+stand-alone Linux CD rom products. I think it might
+lead to a lot of good exposure of Axiom to the "next
+generation".
+
+  http://www.nongnu.org/axiom
+  http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/axiom
+
+Does anyone have an opinion about the best way to
+approach this?
+
+Can we set a target date to be ready for this? Say, at
+the latest sometime before next September. Earlier?
+How much needs to be done to get Axiom ready? I use
+Axiom right now with TeXmacs with very few problems,
+but of course it is not what I would call "turn-key".
+But then neither are many of the other open source
+packages that are included in the list of software
+mentioned in the email below.
+
+http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer
+
+http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-mail
+
+-----Original Message-----
+From: Offray Vladimir Luna C=E1rdenas
+[mailto:offray.luna@javeriana.edu.co]
+Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 11:07 AM
+To: chu-ching huang
+Cc: texmacs-users@texmacs.org
+Subject: Re: [TeXmacs] LiveTeXmacs-1.0.3.3 CDROM released
+
+
+Chu-Ching and Others,
+
+SciLix is a LiveCD for Universitary Teaching based on Morphix (a =
+modular
+derived of Knoppix). Its intended for CAS and Algoritmic Programing and
+shares a lot of programs with the LiveCD that Chu-Ching its doing
+(except Macaulay and the documents). Also it uses the XFCE light weigth
+integrated desktop enrironment instead of KDE for faster performance on
+Ram and Hard Disk and less space utilization.
+
+You can get more info about it in:
+
+http://www.javeriana.edu.co/ciencias/u_sistemas/proyectos/scilix_en.html=
+
+
+(A new updated and corrected english version will be available soon)
+
+This is also and oportunity to celebrate the joining efforts of the
+Freeduc and the SciLix Projects. Freeduc is a Educative LiveCD =
+sponsored
+by the Unesco and Hilaire Fernandez, developer leader of
+Ofset(Organization for Free Software in Education and Teaching) , has
+offered to me the Freeduc Leadership and maintenance of the Freeduc
+Project (and I have acepted likely), so its also the oportunity to say
+thanks for the recognition of the, not always visible, latin american
+contribution in the free software development. As a result of that =
+join,
+SciLix counts with a new and bigger ftp server. You can download the
+last ISO image and mainmodules at:
+
+ftp://developer.ofset.org/pub/scilix/
+
+I hope you enjoy,
+
+Offray.
+
+Pdt: Chu-Ching, wich is the license for the included documentation of
+Calculus and Demos in LiveTeXmacs? Have you considered the
+CreativeCommons Atribution Share-Alike license for that documents?
+(www.creativecommons.org). May be in this way I can Include a spanish
+version of that documents in the SciLix CD and we can join even more
+efforts. Would be nice some documentation about the inclusion of
+Macaulay.
+
+
+El mi=E9, 18-02-2004 a las 01:07, chu-ching huang escribi=F3: 
+> Hi Joris and TeXmacs users,
+> 
+> Before the Linux kernal changed to 2.6, A more compact Knoppix-based
+> Linux CDROM focus on TeXmacs ans CAS is released, about 701mb, (named =
+
+> LiveTeXmacs-1.0.3.3.iso, :-)). It contains:
+> TeXmacs-1.0.3.3, Octave, R , Maxima, graphviz , yacas, pari, gnuplot, =
+
+> Eukleides, Dr.Geo, qcl, rlab, Macaulay 2 (M2), Scilab, and some =
+texmacs
+> files ( in /usr/dems/TeXmacs) about Calculus (not yet finished). The =
+image
+
+> file will be downloaded from:
+> 
+> ftp://math.cgu.edu.tw/pub/KNOPPIX
+> ftp://diffusion.cgu.edu.tw/pub/KNOPPIX
+> 
+> And this is to your new-born angel!
+> 
+> Best regards, 
+> -- 
+> chu-ching huang 
+>  
+> email address:cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw
+
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:55:24 +0000
+From: "Offray Vladimir Luna =?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E1rdenas?=" <offray.luna@javeriana.edu.co>
+To: "Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: FW: [TeXmacs] LiveTeXmacs-1.0.3.3 CDROM released
+Cc: chu-ching huang <cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw>
+
+Hi all,
+
+Axiom is already included in the pre-0.2 version of SciLix, but at the
+release included has a bug when is called from TeXmacs. I get this
+message:
+
+(AXIOM Sockets) The AXIOM Server is undefined.
+
+I'm apt-geting axiom righ now. I hope this version will solve the
+integration problem with TeXmacs. I like a lot the Axiom project and the
+idea about Literate Programming from TeXmacs, and the use of it as a
+system for building axiom documentation. Have you considered the
+Creative Commons License for that documentation? I can help with
+translations.
+
+The 0.2 release of SciLix will have the integration bug solved I hope,
+and eventually the Axiom Manual integrated.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Offray
+
+El mi=E9, 18-02-2004 a las 22:14, Page, Bill escribi=F3: 
+> Tim, et al.
+> 
+> I think it would be great if we could get Axiom into
+> a state where it could be included on one of these
+> stand-alone Linux CD rom products. I think it might
+> lead to a lot of good exposure of Axiom to the "next
+> generation".
+> 
+>   http://www.nongnu.org/axiom
+>   http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/axiom
+> 
+> Does anyone have an opinion about the best way to
+> approach this?
+> 
+> Can we set a target date to be ready for this? Say, at
+> the latest sometime before next September. Earlier?
+> How much needs to be done to get Axiom ready? I use
+> Axiom right now with TeXmacs with very few problems,
+> but of course it is not what I would call "turn-key".
+> But then neither are many of the other open source
+> packages that are included in the list of software
+> mentioned in the email below.
+> 
+> Ideas?
+> 
+> Regards,
+> Bill Page.
+> 
+> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer
+> 
+> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-mail
+> 
+
+
+\start
+Date: 20 Feb 2004 12:05:47 -0500
+From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+To: "Offray Vladimir Luna =?iso-8859-1?q?C=E1rdenas?=" <offray.luna@javeriana.edu.co>
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: FW: [TeXmacs] LiveTeXmacs-1.0.3.3 CDROM released
+Cc: chu-ching huang <cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw>, "Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca>
+
+Greetings!
+
+"Offray Vladimir Luna C=E1rdenas" <offray.luna@javeriana.edu.co> writes:
+
+> Hi all,
+> 
+> Axiom is already included in the pre-0.2 version of SciLix, but at the
+> release included has a bug when is called from TeXmacs. I get this
+> message:
+> 
+> (AXIOM Sockets) The AXIOM Server is undefined.
+> 
+> I'm apt-geting axiom righ now. I hope this version will solve the
+
+I'm the one who put the Debian axiom package together, and there still
+appears to be issues with texmacs, at least as the latter is
+distributed by Debian.  I'm not sure the Debian texmacs axiom
+interface is the latest.  Unfortunately, I don't have time to chase
+this down right now.
+
+Wouldn't it be better if each of the CAS programs shipped their own
+texmacs interface, maybe even dh_installtexmacs in Debian?
+
+Take care,
+
+> integration problem with TeXmacs. I like a lot the Axiom project and the
+> idea about Literate Programming from TeXmacs, and the use of it as a
+> system for building axiom documentation. Have you considered the
+> Creative Commons License for that documentation? I can help with
+> translations.
+> 
+> The 0.2 release of SciLix will have the integration bug solved I hope,
+> and eventually the Axiom Manual integrated.
+> 
+> Cheers,
+> 
+> Offray
+> 
+> El mi=E9, 18-02-2004 a las 22:14, Page, Bill escribi=F3: 
+> > Tim, et al.
+> > 
+> > I think it would be great if we could get Axiom into
+> > a state where it could be included on one of these
+> > stand-alone Linux CD rom products. I think it might
+> > lead to a lot of good exposure of Axiom to the "next
+> > generation".
+> > 
+> >   http://www.nongnu.org/axiom
+> >   http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/axiom
+> > 
+> > Does anyone have an opinion about the best way to
+> > approach this?
+> > 
+> > Can we set a target date to be ready for this? Say, at
+> > the latest sometime before next September. Earlier?
+> > How much needs to be done to get Axiom ready? I use
+> > Axiom right now with TeXmacs with very few problems,
+> > but of course it is not what I would call "turn-key".
+> > But then neither are many of the other open source
+> > packages that are included in the list of software
+> > mentioned in the email below.
+> > 
+> > Ideas?
+> > 
+> > Regards,
+> > Bill Page.
+> > 
+> > http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer
+> > 
+> > http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-mail
+> > 
+
+\start
+Date: 20 Feb 2004 13:07:37 -0500
+From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+To: daly@idsi.net
+Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: [Axiom-developer] Axiom build issues
+
+Greetings!
+
+root <daly@idsi.net> writes:
+
+> > there should be an option to quiet the banner.
+> 
+> Actually it would be more useful if the banner were written to a lisp
+> variable. Then I could manipulate the string into the axiom banner in
+> a clean way.
+> 
+
+This is now in -- si::*system-banner*.
+
+
+> > 
+> There used to be a regression test run that compared the output.
+> There are some subtle issues but these are taken care of by that code.
+> In particular, you need to distinguish between bug that you didn't cause
+> and bugs you did (while testing boundary cases, etc). To do that you 
+>   )set msg test on
+> which is an historical switch I used for exactly this purpose. 
+> It will generate a "DALYBUG" message when an error occurs. If you
+> wrap your deliberately failing test by turning this switch on you
+> can tell that the bug is expected.
+> 
+> I'll put revival of this code on the todo list.
+> 
+
+Thanks!
+
+> > 
+> > There are a few other items in the Debian package build which are not
+> > GCL related per se.  One is that the build will timeout on slow
+> > machines when compiling expexpand.spad.  As was noted before, there
+> > appears to be an inordinate amount of mysterious bignum garbage, or at
+> > least relocatable garbage, being generated here which could be tracked
+> > down at some point.  For the time being I've put in a hack to echo a
+> > string every 15min in the background for some period while the make is
+> > running.  Another alternative would be to turn on si::*notify-gbc*,
+> > but this would enlarge an already copious output.
+> 
+> This is clearly a bug somewhere. If you can get a clue about what
+> routine it is running that would focus the search.
+> 
+
+Will look at this post gcl release.
+
+> > 
+> > Then there is the question of the outstanding patch we're using in
+> > Debian now 1) to use an external GCL, and 2) to use compiler::link to
+> > build the image on machines which cannot do native relocations (alpha
+> > ia64 mips(el) hppa).  Its fine the way it is, but I'm wondering if at
+> > some point we can put in an alternate build target in the Makefiles
+> > supporting these build commands in axiom per se.  I'd be happy to
+> > maintain them if/when we decide on a rule structure.  The sequence
+> > right now works without issue, but GCL could make this more
+> > transparent on these platforms eventually.  Improvements in this area
+> > should however be put off to the next stable release which will likely
+> > be quite some time in the future.
+> 
+> We could easily make this change. Look at the top level Makefile.pamphlet.
+> Each system can have its own Makefile generated. To get this working you
+> 
+> 
+> (a) copy the \subsection{Makefile.linux} in Makefile.pamphlet (line 813)
+> (b) create a \subsection{Makefile.debian} and rename linux to debian.
+> (c) set your AXIOM variable to:
+>       AXIOM=(yourpath)/axiom/mnt/debian
+> (d) type make
+> 
+> and you'll get a Makefile.debian built from your new <<Makefile.debian>>
+> chunk. You can change that chunk any way you like. 
+> 
+
+OK, and this too.
+
+> > 
+> > On a totally different topic, has anyone written an emacs mode for
+> > axiom?  I tried out the texmacs interface with the Debian package and
+> > its broken.  There is a simple isse regarding paths and executable
+> > names that I can workout with the texmacs maintainer.  But this aside,
+> > one still gets garbage using the mode, at least for me.
+> 
+> I'm unaware of an axiom emacs mode. Likely it would just be a clone of
+> an existing mode. Axiom used to have emacs tags automatically generated
+> so that you could walk among the axiom source files using keystrokes.
+> Tagging should come back and I believe there is lisp code in Axiom to
+> create the tags already.
+> 
+> I'll put revival of this code on the todo list.
+> 
+
+Great!  I believe acl2 has something similar.
+
+> 
+> 
+> 
+> I've set up axiom for development purposes using the gnu-arch system.
+> This allows multiple branches for development. If you want to experiment
+> with GCL related changes we can set up an axiom--gcl--1 branch for you.
+> 
+
+Actually, when time became available, I was thinking at taking a crack
+at graphics.  Is this high up on the axiom priority list?
+
+
+\start
+Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:25:48 -0500
+From: Tim Daly  <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>
+To: camm@enhanced.com, dpt@math.harvard.edu
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] graphics code
+
+The graphics code is available using Gnu-arch as axiom--graphics--1
+
+To get it do:
+
+tla register-archive http://axiom.tenkan.org/current
+tla get axiom@tenkan.org--axiom//axiom--graphics--1
+
+This branch contains the current state of the graphics code. 
+I realize that most of you are new to gnu-arch so feel free to ask
+"how-to" questions until it all becomes clear.
+
+Basically the graphics code should be runnable stand-alone using the viewman
+program. I've converted almost everything to pamphlets, created the Makefiles,
+fixed most of the porting issues, and nearly have it running. 
+
+\start
+Date: 20 Feb 2004 15:10:14 -0500
+From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+To: daly@idsi.net
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: graphics code
+
+Hi Tim, and thanks!
+
+tla  register-archive http://axiom.tenkan.org/current
+archive already registered: axiom@tenkan.org--axiom
+Registering archive: axiom@tenkan.org--axiom
+
+tla get axiom@tenkan.org--axiom//axiom--graphics--1
+get: invalid revision spec (axiom@tenkan.org--axiom//axiom--graphics--1)
+
+Take care,
+
+Tim Daly  <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> writes:
+
+> The graphics code is available using Gnu-arch as axiom--graphics--1
+> 
+> To get it do:
+> 
+> tla register-archive http://axiom.tenkan.org/current
+> tla get axiom@tenkan.org--axiom//axiom--graphics--1
+> 
+> This branch contains the current state of the graphics code. 
+> I realize that most of you are new to gnu-arch so feel free to ask
+> "how-to" questions until it all becomes clear.
+> 
+> Basically the graphics code should be runnable stand-alone using the viewman
+> program. I've converted almost everything to pamphlets, created the Makefiles,
+> fixed most of the porting issues, and nearly have it running. 
+
+\start
+Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:28:33 +0100 (CET)
+From: Bertfried Fauser <fauser@spock.physik.uni-konstanz.de>
+To: daly@idsi.net
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] graphics code
+
+Hi,
+
+does that mean, that tenkan is now the most actual source, or can / shall
+I use savannah further (my modemconnection is quite slow, so I appreciate
+the cvs which needs only to load changed files, I guess this is impossible
+with anu-arch and I have to download a full new copy?)
+
+Second q: I have tried to redo some of the calculations in the AXIOM book
+Jenks-Sutor, some of the things there do not work as expected, are you
+interested in these or are you aware that eg the symmetric function
+package does not load (I skipped graphics by now)
+
+\start
+Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 16:57:02 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: camm@enhanced.com
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: graphics code
+
+ummm, my typo... it should read:
+
+tla get axiom@tenkan.org--axiom/axiom--graphics--1
+
+\start
+Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:11:22 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] graphics code
+
+Bertfried,
+
+>does that mean, that tenkan is now the most actual source, or can / shall
+>I use savannah further (my modemconnection is quite slow, so I appreciate
+>the cvs which needs only to load changed files, I guess this is impossible
+>with anu-arch and I have to download a full new copy?)
+
+Savannah is "released" code. That is, I've run it thru all of the building
+and testing. This is where people who just want to use Axiom should get
+their code.
+
+Unfortunately I have a dozen or so paths of code under development some
+of which will not yet even compile. I've been doing all of the development
+work on these locally. That takes a long time and no-one can really share
+in the effort.
+
+In order to expose my current working state to the rest of the world on
+different efforts I have set up a second archive on tenkan. This archive
+has a main branch (axiom--release--1) which is code that will end up being
+copied to savannah. It also has several secondary branches that are works
+in progress. The current branches are:
+
+  axiom--release--1    the pre-savannah testing version
+  axiom--book--1       the axiom book branch
+  axiom--cats--1       the CATS (Computer Algebra Test Suite) branch
+  axiom--crystal--1    the new Crystal browser branch
+  axiom--graphics--1   the axiom graphics code
+
+I'm adding branches as I separate my local pile into distinct efforts.
+None of the code in each distinct branch is on savannah yet but the
+intention is to merge it and put it there eventually (once it works).
+
+I want to create a separate branch for your algebra code. I've purchased
+a book on Quantum Field Theory (Kaku) which has a few strong chapters on
+group theory, including Poincare and Lorentz groups. I'm trying to 
+understand the algebra that underlies the physics work you're doing.
+It seems clear that Lie algebras are an area we need to strengthen.
+
+
+
+>Second q: I have tried to redo some of the calculations in the AXIOM book
+>Jenks-Sutor, some of the things there do not work as expected, are you
+>interested in these or are you aware that eg the symmetric function
+>package does not load (I skipped graphics by now)
+
+There are two things that would be useful. 
+
+First is to post a bug report so that any things you find 
+don't get lost. The bug reporting can be done on Savannah.
+
+Second is that the book is now online and, if you're in the mood,
+you can work out a corrected version of the example, download the
+axiom--book--1 branch, fix it and send me the patches.
+
+\start
+Date: 20 Feb 2004 13:25:20 -0500
+From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+To: gcl-devel@gnu.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] GCL getting slushy ...
+Cc: Robert Boyer <boyer@cs.utexas.edu>,	Mike Thomas <mike.thomas@brisbane.paradigmgeo.com>, maxima <maxima@www.ma.utexas.edu>, Gordon Shaw Novak <novak@cs.utexas.edu>, James Amundson <amundson@users.sourceforge.net>, Matt Kaufmann <kaufmann@cs.utexas.edu>, acl2-help@lists.cc.utexas.edu, Aurelien Chanudet <aurelien.chanudet@enst.fr>
+
+Greetings!  This is just a heads up that its looking good for a GCL
+stable release by 2/29.  If you have any testing you want to do, now
+is the time!
+
+At least on Debian GNU/Linux, I can state that no GCL specific
+problems are known in building and self-testing any of gcl,acl2,maxima
+and axiom on all 11/12 supported platforms.  Likewise nqthm-1992 and
+pc-nqthm-1992, the latter with an expanded value stack, also pass on
+i386. 
+
+We also have good reports from Windows/mingw, macosx, and freebsd,
+though the latter are a bit old now.  Additional testing and reports
+on these systems are most appreciated.  I will also endeavor to run
+some tests on solaris.
+
+The latest stable source can be retrieved from cvs via
+
+export CVS_RSH=ssh
+export CVSROOT=:ext:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot/gcl
+cvs -z9 -q co -r Version_2_6_1 -d gcl-2.6.1 gcl
+
+Binaries and source (slightly older) in html form can be found at 
+
+http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/boyer/gcl/
+
+The 2.6.2 release will be made to the official site, now restored, at
+ftp.gnu.org. 
+
+\start
+Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:07:11 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: camm@enhanced.com
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] GCL getting slushy ...
+Cc: boyer@cs.utexas.edu, mike.thomas@brisbane.paradigmgeo.com, maxima@www.ma.utexas.edu, novak@cs.utexas.edu, amundson@users.sourceforge.net, kaufmann@cs.utexas.edu, acl2-help@lists.cc.utexas.edu, aurelien.chanudet@enst.fr
+
+my, my, you HAVE been busy. I diffed the trees and there are 21k lines
+of changes. I'm checking the axiom build at the moment.
+
+My understanding is that, if there are no complaints by next week, this
+will be tagged as 2.6.2, right?
+
+\start
+Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 19:30:37 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom-mail@nongnu.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] axiom
+
+Axiom has moved to gcl-2.6.2 (pre-release) on savannah.
+This will have no impact on anything. 
+
+You can download the lastest sources with:
+
+export CVS_RSH=ssh
+cvs -z3 -d:ext:anoncvs@savannah.nongnu.org:/cvsroot/axiom co axiom
+
+\start
+Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:49:37 +0100 (CET)
+From: Bertfried Fauser <fauser@spock.physik.uni-konstanz.de>
+To: root <daly@idsi.net>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Axiom-mail] axiom
+
+On Sun, 22 Feb 2004, root wrote:
+
+> export CVS_RSH=ssh
+> cvs -z3 -d:ext:anoncvs@savannah.nongnu.org:/cvsroot/axiom co axiom
+
+Dear Tim,
+
+	I have tried to install gnu-arch (tla), but the recent rpm's rely
+on the glibc.2.3.2 and my SuSE 8.0 is using an older glibc. Since its
+quite risky to change the glibc in a running system, I have to update to
+SuSE 9.0 or to try to compile gnu-arch. Hence, would it be a geart problem
+for you, to put the axiom book to the savannah server, since I don't have
+any problems with cvs ;-)
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 02:52:55 -0500
+From: "Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca>
+To: "Axiom-Developer (E-mail)" <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] FW: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+Cc: "'cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw'" <cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw>, "'treinen@club-internet.fr'" <treinen@club-internet.fr>
+
+Tim, Camm;
+
+Is there something about the debian version of open
+axiom that I don't understand? I thought we had worked
+out that TeXmacs should always call AXIOMsys. No?
+
+Bill Page.
+
+-----Original Message-----
+From: Ralf Treinen [mailto:treinen@club-internet.fr]
+Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 2:04 AM
+To: Page, Bill
+Cc: 'chu-ching huang'; texmacs-users@texmacs.org
+Subject: Re: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+
+
+On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 02:18:49AM -0500, Page, Bill wrote:
+
+> 'AXIOMsys' is the name of the Axiom binary. This is
+> all that is needed for Axiom. This binary is provided
+> by both old commercial version and the open source
+> version of Axiom.
+
+On a debian system, for instance, the axiom binary is called just "axiom"
+(the axiom plugin for texmacs on debian is patched accordingly).
+
+-Ralf.
+-- 
+
+-----Original Message-----
+From: chu-ching huang [mailto:cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw]
+Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 2:33 AM
+To: Page, Bill
+Subject: RE: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+
+
+On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 02:18:49 -0500, Page, Bill wrote
+> huang,
+> 
+> What do you mean "there is no axiom icon"? Were
+> did you obtain this icon? And how does the presence
+> of abscence of the icon affect TeXmacs?
+> 
+> 'axiom' is the name of a script that starts other
+> processes besides the one that is needed for TeXmacs.
+> 'AXIOMsys' is the name of the Axiom binary. This is
+> all that is needed for Axiom. This binary is provided
+> by both old commercial version and the open source
+> version of Axiom.
+> 
+>   http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/
+> 
+> The Axiom plug-in was recently changed to accomodate
+> the fact that earler versions of open axiom only had
+> AXIOMsys.
+> 
+> Perhaps your problem with "axiom icon" is caused
+> by something else?
+> 
+
+My PC info: Red Hat-9.0
+
+As "README" suggestion, I make the source in /mnt/sda7/LiveCAS/axiom/
+, copy whole the directory, mnt/linux, to /usr/local/axiom and
+
+export AXIOM=/usr/local/axiom
+export PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH
+ln -s /usr/local/axiom/bin/axiom /usr/local/bin
+
+Also compile and install TeXmacs-1.0.3.3 in /usr/local. But no option of
+axiom
+in the [Text]->[session]. So I change the code in tm_axiom.c, now the option
+
+appears. I had searched from google about such info's but nothing found. So
+I
+use this method to solve it.  
+
+Best regards, 
+----------------------------------------------------------------- 
+chu-ching huang 
+ 
+email address:cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw
+
+-----Original Message-----
+From: Page, Bill [mailto:Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca]
+Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 2:19 AM
+To: 'chu-ching huang'
+Cc: texmacs-users@texmacs.org
+Subject: RE: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+
+
+huang,
+
+What do you mean "there is no axiom icon"? Were
+did you obtain this icon? And how does the presence
+of abscence of the icon affect TeXmacs?
+
+'axiom' is the name of a script that starts other
+processes besides the one that is needed for TeXmacs.
+'AXIOMsys' is the name of the Axiom binary. This is
+all that is needed for Axiom. This binary is provided
+by both old commercial version and the open source
+version of Axiom.
+
+  http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/
+
+The Axiom plug-in was recently changed to accomodate
+the fact that earler versions of open axiom only had
+AXIOMsys.
+
+Perhaps your problem with "axiom icon" is caused
+by something else?
+
+Regards,
+Bill Page.
+
+> -----Original Message-----
+> From: chu-ching huang [mailto:cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw]
+> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 1:49 AM
+> To: texmacs-users@texmacs.org
+> Subject: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+> 
+> 
+> Hi,
+> 
+> I found a little problem about axiom plugin in TeXmacs.
+> Whatever change the path of binary of axiom, there is no
+> axiom icon. This can be solved by changing all the codes, 
+> "AXIOMsys", in tm_axiom.c into "axiom". And recompile
+> TeXmacs.
+> 
+> 
+> Best regards, 
+> ----------------------------------------------------------------- 
+> chu-ching huang 
+>  
+> email address:cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw
+> 
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 07:41:48 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: vdhoeven@texmacs.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin (fwd)
+Cc: cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw, axiom@texmacs.org
+
+icon? I was unaware that Axiom had an icon.
+
+>=======================================================================
+>Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:49:20 +0800
+>From: chu-ching huang <cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw>
+>To: texmacs-users@texmacs.org
+>Subject: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+>
+>Hi,
+>
+>I found a little problem about axiom plugin in TeXmacs.
+>Whatever change the path of binary of axiom, there is no axiom
+>icon. This can be solved by changing all the codes, "AXIOMsys", in tm_axiom.c
+>into "axiom". And recompile TeXmacs.
+>
+>
+>Best regards,
+>-----------------------------------------------------------------
+>chu-ching huang
+>
+>email address:cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 07:06:10 -0500
+From: "Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca>
+To: "'Axiom-Developer (E-mail)'" <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] FW: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+Cc: "'cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw'" <cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw>, "'treinen@club-internet.fr'" <treinen@club-internet.fr>
+
+Tim, Camm;
+
+Is there something about the debian version of open
+axiom that I don't understand? I thought we had worked
+out that TeXmacs should always call AXIOMsys. No?
+
+Bill Page.
+
+-----Original Message-----
+From: Ralf Treinen [mailto:treinen@club-internet.fr]
+Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 2:04 AM
+To: Page, Bill
+Cc: 'chu-ching huang'; texmacs-users@texmacs.org
+Subject: Re: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+
+
+On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 02:18:49AM -0500, Page, Bill wrote:
+
+> 'AXIOMsys' is the name of the Axiom binary. This is
+> all that is needed for Axiom. This binary is provided
+> by both old commercial version and the open source
+> version of Axiom.
+
+On a debian system, for instance, the axiom binary is called just "axiom"
+(the axiom plugin for texmacs on debian is patched accordingly).
+
+
+-----Original Message-----
+From: chu-ching huang [mailto:cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw]
+Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 2:33 AM
+To: Page, Bill
+Subject: RE: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+
+
+On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 02:18:49 -0500, Page, Bill wrote
+> huang,
+> 
+> What do you mean "there is no axiom icon"? Were
+> did you obtain this icon? And how does the presence
+> of abscence of the icon affect TeXmacs?
+> 
+> 'axiom' is the name of a script that starts other
+> processes besides the one that is needed for TeXmacs.
+> 'AXIOMsys' is the name of the Axiom binary. This is
+> all that is needed for Axiom. This binary is provided
+> by both old commercial version and the open source
+> version of Axiom.
+> 
+>   http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/
+> 
+> The Axiom plug-in was recently changed to accomodate
+> the fact that earler versions of open axiom only had
+> AXIOMsys.
+> 
+> Perhaps your problem with "axiom icon" is caused
+> by something else?
+> 
+
+My PC info: Red Hat-9.0
+
+As "README" suggestion, I make the source in /mnt/sda7/LiveCAS/axiom/
+, copy whole the directory, mnt/linux, to /usr/local/axiom and
+
+export AXIOM=/usr/local/axiom
+export PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH
+ln -s /usr/local/axiom/bin/axiom /usr/local/bin
+
+Also compile and install TeXmacs-1.0.3.3 in /usr/local. But no option of
+axiom
+in the [Text]->[session]. So I change the code in tm_axiom.c, now the option
+
+appears. I had searched from google about such info's but nothing found. So
+I
+use this method to solve it.  
+
+Best regards, 
+----------------------------------------------------------------- 
+chu-ching huang 
+ 
+email address:cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw
+
+-----Original Message-----
+From: Page, Bill [mailto:Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca]
+Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 2:19 AM
+To: 'chu-ching huang'
+Cc: texmacs-users@texmacs.org
+Subject: RE: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+
+
+huang,
+
+What do you mean "there is no axiom icon"? Were
+did you obtain this icon? And how does the presence
+of abscence of the icon affect TeXmacs?
+
+'axiom' is the name of a script that starts other
+processes besides the one that is needed for TeXmacs.
+'AXIOMsys' is the name of the Axiom binary. This is
+all that is needed for Axiom. This binary is provided
+by both old commercial version and the open source
+version of Axiom.
+
+  http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/
+
+The Axiom plug-in was recently changed to accomodate
+the fact that earler versions of open axiom only had
+AXIOMsys.
+
+Perhaps your problem with "axiom icon" is caused
+by something else?
+
+Regards,
+Bill Page.
+
+> -----Original Message-----
+> From: chu-ching huang [mailto:cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw]
+> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 1:49 AM
+> To: texmacs-users@texmacs.org
+> Subject: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+> 
+> 
+> Hi,
+> 
+> I found a little problem about axiom plugin in TeXmacs.
+> Whatever change the path of binary of axiom, there is no
+> axiom icon. This can be solved by changing all the codes, 
+> "AXIOMsys", in tm_axiom.c into "axiom". And recompile
+> TeXmacs.
+> 
+> 
+> Best regards, 
+> ----------------------------------------------------------------- 
+> chu-ching huang 
+>  
+> email address:cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw
+> 
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 08:49:43 -0500
+From: Tim Daly  <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>
+To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Axiom icon and texmacs
+
+Bill,
+
+Apparently the word was not 'icon' but refers to a menu entry in texmacs.
+
+I believe the last agreed upon state was that AXIOMsys was called
+directly because at the present time the 'axiom' shell script only
+adds clef handling which Texmacs does not need.
+
+\start
+Date: 24 Feb 2004 09:52:02 -0500
+From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+To: "Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca>
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] FW: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+Cc: "'cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw'" <cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw>, "'treinen@club-internet.fr'" <treinen@club-internet.fr>
+
+Greetings!
+
+In the Debian package, I supply a shell script wrapper in the default
+path (/usr/bin) to setup the AXIOM and PATH environment variables
+before calling AXIOMsys.  I tried to make the Debian package preserve
+the file tree structure axiom generates (in e.g. mnt/linux) on build,
+and to do this, one has to put this directory somewhere like
+/usr/lib/axiom-$(VERSION), in which case AXIOMsys will never be in the
+user's default path.  Hence the need of a wrapper in the path, unless
+I'm missing something.  It would be good if this was standardized in
+some manner.
+
+Take care,
+
+"Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> writes:
+
+> Tim, Camm;
+> 
+> Is there something about the debian version of open
+> axiom that I don't understand? I thought we had worked
+> out that TeXmacs should always call AXIOMsys. No?
+> 
+> Bill Page.
+> 
+> -----Original Message-----
+> From: Ralf Treinen [mailto:treinen@club-internet.fr]
+> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 2:04 AM
+> To: Page, Bill
+> Cc: 'chu-ching huang'; texmacs-users@texmacs.org
+> Subject: Re: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+> 
+> 
+> On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 02:18:49AM -0500, Page, Bill wrote:
+> 
+> > 'AXIOMsys' is the name of the Axiom binary. This is
+> > all that is needed for Axiom. This binary is provided
+> > by both old commercial version and the open source
+> > version of Axiom.
+> 
+> On a debian system, for instance, the axiom binary is called just "axiom"
+> (the axiom plugin for texmacs on debian is patched accordingly).
+> 
+> -Ralf.
+> -- 
+> 
+> 
+> 
+> -----Original Message-----
+> From: chu-ching huang [mailto:cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw]
+> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 2:33 AM
+> To: Page, Bill
+> Subject: RE: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+> 
+> 
+> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 02:18:49 -0500, Page, Bill wrote
+> > huang,
+> > 
+> > What do you mean "there is no axiom icon"? Were
+> > did you obtain this icon? And how does the presence
+> > of abscence of the icon affect TeXmacs?
+> > 
+> > 'axiom' is the name of a script that starts other
+> > processes besides the one that is needed for TeXmacs.
+> > 'AXIOMsys' is the name of the Axiom binary. This is
+> > all that is needed for Axiom. This binary is provided
+> > by both old commercial version and the open source
+> > version of Axiom.
+> > 
+> >   http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/
+> > 
+> > The Axiom plug-in was recently changed to accomodate
+> > the fact that earler versions of open axiom only had
+> > AXIOMsys.
+> > 
+> > Perhaps your problem with "axiom icon" is caused
+> > by something else?
+> > 
+> 
+> My PC info: Red Hat-9.0
+> 
+> As "README" suggestion, I make the source in /mnt/sda7/LiveCAS/axiom/
+> , copy whole the directory, mnt/linux, to /usr/local/axiom and
+> 
+> export AXIOM=/usr/local/axiom
+> export PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH
+> ln -s /usr/local/axiom/bin/axiom /usr/local/bin
+> 
+> Also compile and install TeXmacs-1.0.3.3 in /usr/local. But no option of
+> axiom
+> in the [Text]->[session]. So I change the code in tm_axiom.c, now the option
+> 
+> appears. I had searched from google about such info's but nothing found. So
+> I
+> use this method to solve it.  
+> 
+> Best regards, 
+> ----------------------------------------------------------------- 
+> chu-ching huang 
+>  
+> email address:cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw
+> 
+> 
+> 
+> -----Original Message-----
+> From: Page, Bill [mailto:Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca]
+> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 2:19 AM
+> To: 'chu-ching huang'
+> Cc: texmacs-users@texmacs.org
+> Subject: RE: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+> 
+> 
+> huang,
+> 
+> What do you mean "there is no axiom icon"? Were
+> did you obtain this icon? And how does the presence
+> of abscence of the icon affect TeXmacs?
+> 
+> 'axiom' is the name of a script that starts other
+> processes besides the one that is needed for TeXmacs.
+> 'AXIOMsys' is the name of the Axiom binary. This is
+> all that is needed for Axiom. This binary is provided
+> by both old commercial version and the open source
+> version of Axiom.
+> 
+>   http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/
+> 
+> The Axiom plug-in was recently changed to accomodate
+> the fact that earler versions of open axiom only had
+> AXIOMsys.
+> 
+> Perhaps your problem with "axiom icon" is caused
+> by something else?
+> 
+> Regards,
+> Bill Page.
+> 
+> > -----Original Message-----
+> > From: chu-ching huang [mailto:cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw]
+> > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 1:49 AM
+> > To: texmacs-users@texmacs.org
+> > Subject: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+> > 
+> > 
+> > Hi,
+> > 
+> > I found a little problem about axiom plugin in TeXmacs.
+> > Whatever change the path of binary of axiom, there is no
+> > axiom icon. This can be solved by changing all the codes, 
+> > "AXIOMsys", in tm_axiom.c into "axiom". And recompile
+> > TeXmacs.
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:12:22 -0500
+From: Tim Daly  <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>
+To: camm@enhanced.com
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] axiom shell script
+
+Can you back-port the axiom shell script you use in the axiom CVS?
+Or send it to me and I'll merge it in.
+
+Just out of curiousity why "/usr/lib"? I'd have expected "/usr/local"
+(or /opt if we were to actually read the LSB spec :-) ).
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:45:18 -0500
+From: Tim Daly  <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>
+To: camm@enhanced.com, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, vdhoeven@texmacs.org, david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: axiom shell script
+
+*,
+
+Camm sees a need to execute the axiom shell script rather than
+directly invoking AXIOMsys, the axiom binary. 
+
+In the past I believe we moved away from using the shell script
+because it invoked clef (the axiom readline). 
+
+The compromise position seems to be to invoke the shell script
+but do it with the -noclef option and that the shell script
+be rewritten to handle this. Axiom used to have a -noclef option
+and will have it again in the future.
+
+(a) are there any objections?
+(b) if there are no objections we need to:
+   (1) merge Camm's axiom approach with the current clef version
+   (2) add -noclef handline
+   (3) modify the texmacs plugin to add -noclef
+   (4) backport the new axiom shell script to debian
+
+Comments?
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:49:22 -0500
+From: "Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca>
+To: 'Tim Daly' <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>, camm@enhanced.com
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: axiom shell script
+Cc: vdhoeven@texmacs.org
+
+Tim,
+
+It seems to me that we should avoid changes that will
+outdate TeXmacs as it is now being distributed. TeXmacs
+looks for something called AXIOMsys (it could be the
+AXIOMsys binary for Axiom or it could be a bash script
+of the same but located somewhere else). If such a
+script it necessary, it should still be called AXIOMsys.
+We do not want to make changes that would require that
+TeXmacs be changed again to accomodate a new/old naming
+convention for Axiom.
+
+The name AXIOMsys works "right out of the box" for the
+old commercial version of Axiom that many people are
+still running and except for the way Axiom is configured
+on Debian, it works for the other new source linux
+versions. It seems to me that it is the Debian distribution
+that should change to be compatible with the others. If
+(for reasons that still remain very unclear to me) the
+directory structure on Debian must be changed from the
+what has be distributed for Axiom so far, then the minimum
+that would be required is the on Debian the name AXIOMsys
+refer either via a link or by a simple script to the
+real executable - where ever it has to be located. Surely
+this is done all the time on Debian? No?
+
+Running clef makes no sense when interfacing between
+TeXmacs and Axiom. In fact using AXIOMsys is an
+improvement for the commercial version of Axiom as
+well sense that extra stuff is not hanging around
+in memory somewhere between TeXmacs and Axiom.
+
+So I still vote to keep it simple and just make sure
+that on every Axiom installation (just like the old
+commercial version) an AXIOMsys is in the path.
+
+> -----Original Message-----
+> From: Tim Daly [mailto:daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu]
+> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:45 PM
+> To: camm@enhanced.com; bill.page1@sympatico.ca; vdhoeven@texmacs.org;
+> david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
+> Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+> Subject: Re: axiom shell script
+> 
+> 
+> *,
+> 
+> Camm sees a need to execute the axiom shell script rather than
+> directly invoking AXIOMsys, the axiom binary. 
+> 
+> In the past I believe we moved away from using the shell script
+> because it invoked clef (the axiom readline). 
+> 
+> The compromise position seems to be to invoke the shell script
+> but do it with the -noclef option and that the shell script
+> be rewritten to handle this. Axiom used to have a -noclef option
+> and will have it again in the future.
+> 
+> (a) are there any objections?
+> (b) if there are no objections we need to:
+>    (1) merge Camm's axiom approach with the current clef version
+>    (2) add -noclef handline
+>    (3) modify the texmacs plugin to add -noclef
+>    (4) backport the new axiom shell script to debian
+> 
+> Comments?
+
+\start
+Date: 24 Feb 2004 13:12:21 -0500
+From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+To: Tim Daly <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: axiom shell script
+
+Greetings!  Its exceedingly simple, hopefully not embarrassingly so:
+
+#!/bin/bash
+
+export AXIOM=/usr/lib/axiom-0.20040128
+export PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH
+exec $AXIOM/bin/AXIOMsys
+
+
+Tim Daly  <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> writes:
+
+> Can you back-port the axiom shell script you use in the axiom CVS?
+> Or send it to me and I'll merge it in.
+> 
+> Just out of curiousity why "/usr/lib"? I'd have expected "/usr/local"
+> (or /opt if we were to actually read the LSB spec :-) ).
+
+Well, I can tell that we're perhaps not quite square with the
+following, but the idea is this section of the FHS:
+
+
+/usr/lib : Libraries for programming and packages
+Purpose
+
+/usr/lib includes object files, libraries, and internal binaries that
+are not intended to be executed directly by users or shell
+scripts. [22]
+
+Applications may use a single subdirectory under /usr/lib. If an
+application uses a subdirectory, all architecture-dependent data
+exclusively used by the application must be placed within that
+subdirectory. [23]
+
+/usr/lib is common Debian practice for arch-dependent modules and
+binaries not customarily invoked directly by the user.  /opt certainly
+also seems like a possibility, but I've yet to find a Debian package
+using it.  Perhaps I can find time to investigate this further.
+
+\start
+Date: 24 Feb 2004 14:23:37 -0500
+From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+To: "Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: axiom shell script
+Cc: vdhoeven@texmacs.org
+
+Greetings!
+
+"Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> writes:
+
+> Tim,
+> 
+> The name AXIOMsys works "right out of the box" for the
+> old commercial version of Axiom that many people are
+> still running and except for the way Axiom is configured
+> on Debian, it works for the other new source linux
+> versions. It seems to me that it is the Debian distribution
+
+Source linux versions?  I'm just wondering if other Linux distros are
+providing pre-compiled binaries, and if so what they are doing.
+
+> that should change to be compatible with the others. If
+> (for reasons that still remain very unclear to me) the
+> directory structure on Debian must be changed from the
+> what has be distributed for Axiom so far, then the minimum
+> that would be required is the on Debian the name AXIOMsys
+> refer either via a link or by a simple script to the
+> real executable - where ever it has to be located. Surely
+> this is done all the time on Debian? No?
+> 
+
+OK, its quite simple for me to add a link in /usr/bin called AXIOMsys
+pointing to axiom.  Still seems one needs the script to setup the
+environment.  We of course could call the script AXIOMsys, but while
+traditional, this certainly seems counterintuitive for new users to
+find/type at a prompt.  If there are no objections then I'll make sure
+the Debian package does the former.
+
+> Running clef makes no sense when interfacing between
+> TeXmacs and Axiom. In fact using AXIOMsys is an
+> improvement for the commercial version of Axiom as
+> well sense that extra stuff is not hanging around
+> in memory somewhere between TeXmacs and Axiom.
+> 
+
+On Debian (as well as a few of the BSDs at least, I'm told), axiom is
+being build with an external gcl.  This image often has readline
+enabled.  readline is shutoff automatically on startup when GCL (and
+any image built on top of it) detects that the running terminal is not
+readline capable, or if the TERM environment variable is set to "dumb"
+(as in EMACS shell buffers for example.)  This might work without
+change under TeXmacs, but if not, one can initialize with
+
+(si::readline-off)
+
+> So I still vote to keep it simple and just make sure
+> that on every Axiom installation (just like the old
+> commercial version) an AXIOMsys is in the path.
+> 
+
+OK by me.
+
+Take care,
+
+> Cheers,
+> Bill Page.
+> 
+> 
+> > -----Original Message-----
+> > From: Tim Daly [mailto:daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu]
+> > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:45 PM
+> > To: camm@enhanced.com; bill.page1@sympatico.ca; vdhoeven@texmacs.org;
+> > david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
+> > Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+> > Subject: Re: axiom shell script
+> > 
+> > 
+> > *,
+> > 
+> > Camm sees a need to execute the axiom shell script rather than
+> > directly invoking AXIOMsys, the axiom binary. 
+> > 
+> > In the past I believe we moved away from using the shell script
+> > because it invoked clef (the axiom readline). 
+> > 
+> > The compromise position seems to be to invoke the shell script
+> > but do it with the -noclef option and that the shell script
+> > be rewritten to handle this. Axiom used to have a -noclef option
+> > and will have it again in the future.
+> > 
+> > (a) are there any objections?
+> > (b) if there are no objections we need to:
+> >    (1) merge Camm's axiom approach with the current clef version
+> >    (2) add -noclef handline
+> >    (3) modify the texmacs plugin to add -noclef
+> >    (4) backport the new axiom shell script to debian
+> > 
+> > Comments?
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:19:20 +0100
+From: Ralf Treinen <treinen@club-internet.fr>
+To: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] FW: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+Cc: "'cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw'" <cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw>, "Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca>, "'treinen@club-internet.fr'" <treinen@club-internet.fr>
+
+On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:52:02AM -0500, Camm Maguire wrote:
+
+> In the Debian package, I supply a shell script wrapper in the default
+> path (/usr/bin) to setup the AXIOM and PATH environment variables
+> before calling AXIOMsys.  I tried to make the Debian package preserve
+> the file tree structure axiom generates (in e.g. mnt/linux) on build,
+> and to do this, one has to put this directory somewhere like
+> /usr/lib/axiom-$(VERSION), in which case AXIOMsys will never be in the
+> user's default path.  Hence the need of a wrapper in the path, unless
+> I'm missing something.  It would be good if this was standardized in
+> some manner.
+
+That's perfectly OK, it is common practice in Debian in case an
+executable needs some environment variables set.
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 05:43:08 -0500
+From: "Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca>
+To: 'chu-ching huang' <cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+
+On Wednesday, February 25, 2004 3:55 AM chu-ching huang
+cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw wrote:
+
+> > ... 
+> > Perhaps your problem with "axiom icon" is caused
+> > by something else?
+> > 
+> 
+> Not "icon" but "option" in [session].
+> Sorry, such mistake bothers you so much.
+>
+
+No, it is my mistake. I understand now what you mean.
+ 
+> Today, I remake the LiveTeXmacs to include Axiom. Some 
+> installation notes are
+> as followed :
+> 
+> 1. Still modify tm_axiom.c: [AXIOMsys]->[axiom]
+> 2. copy $spad/mnt/linux to /usr/local/axiom
+> 3. edit /etc/profile, add:
+>    export AXIOM=/usr/local/axiom
+>    export PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH
+> 4. add the link:
+>    ln -s /usr/local/axiom/bin/axiom /usr/local/bin/AXIOMsys
+> 
+
+This is ok but step 1. is not necessary. You can keep
+tm_axiom.c as it is in the standard distribution. I think
+it is simplier if you just do
+
+  1. copy $spad/mnt/linux to /usr/local/axiom
+  2. edit /etc/profile, add:
+     export AXIOM=/usr/local/axiom
+     export PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH
+
+$spad/mnt/linux/bin/axiom is (or will be in the near
+future) a script which does not do anything useful for
+TeXmacs in the current version (provided you have set
+the /etc/profile correctly). In the future this script
+will probably also invoke other processes (such as clef
+and graphics) which may interfere with or delay Axiom.
+But they are very desirable if you run Axiom from the
+command line.
+
+> Now axiom can be called under terminal and TeXmacs.
+
+Anyway, if it works for you now this all is not
+really such a big deal. We can straighten it out
+again later if necessary.
+
+> Another question: Is AXIOM_book is the manual about
+> axiom? Where can I find it? 
+> 
+
+Partial documentation is availabe here
+
+  http://www.linux-france.org/~dmentre/axiom/doc/
+
+This material has not yet been moved back onto
+Savannah.
+
+Tim Daly is currently in the process of updating
+the original Jenks and Sutor AXIOM book. As you
+can see from his message below. It is available
+in rough draft form from
+
+  tla get axiom@tenkan.org--axiom/axiom--book--1
+
+(GNUarch archive) but I am not sure whether it is
+suitable yet for distribution on your CD rom.
+
+Thank you for all your working on updating the
+LiveTeXmacs CD to include the newest version of
+open Axiom.
+
+-----Original Message-----
+From: root [mailto:daly@idsi.net]
+Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 5:11 PM
+To: Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de
+Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org; daly@idsi.net
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] graphics code
+
+Bertfried,
+
+>does that mean, that tenkan is now the most actual source, or can / shall
+>I use savannah further (my modemconnection is quite slow, so I appreciate
+>the cvs which needs only to load changed files, I guess this is impossible
+>with anu-arch and I have to download a full new copy?)
+
+Savannah is "released" code. That is, I've run it thru all of the building
+and testing. This is where people who just want to use Axiom should get
+their code.
+
+Unfortunately I have a dozen or so paths of code under development some
+of which will not yet even compile. I've been doing all of the development
+work on these locally. That takes a long time and no-one can really share
+in the effort.
+
+In order to expose my current working state to the rest of the world on
+different efforts I have set up a second archive on tenkan. This archive
+has a main branch (axiom--release--1) which is code that will end up being
+copied to savannah. It also has several secondary branches that are works
+in progress. The current branches are:
+
+  axiom--release--1    the pre-savannah testing version
+  axiom--book--1       the axiom book branch
+  axiom--cats--1       the CATS (Computer Algebra Test Suite) branch
+  axiom--crystal--1    the new Crystal browser branch
+  axiom--graphics--1   the axiom graphics code
+
+I'm adding branches as I separate my local pile into distinct efforts.
+None of the code in each distinct branch is on savannah yet but the
+intention is to merge it and put it there eventually (once it works).
+
+I want to create a separate branch for your algebra code. I've purchased
+a book on Quantum Field Theory (Kaku) which has a few strong chapters on
+group theory, including Poincare and Lorentz groups. I'm trying to 
+understand the algebra that underlies the physics work you're doing.
+It seems clear that Lie algebras are an area we need to strengthen.
+
+
+
+>Second q: I have tried to redo some of the calculations in the AXIOM book
+>Jenks-Sutor, some of the things there do not work as expected, are you
+>interested in these or are you aware that eg the symmetric function
+>package does not load (I skipped graphics by now)
+
+There are two things that would be useful. 
+
+First is to post a bug report so that any things you find 
+don't get lost. The bug reporting can be done on Savannah.
+
+Second is that the book is now online and, if you're in the mood,
+you can work out a corrected version of the example, download the
+axiom--book--1 branch, fix it and send me the patches.
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:22:44 -0500
+From: "Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca>
+To: 'chu-ching huang' <cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+Cc: "Camm Maguire \(E-mail\)" <camm@enhanced.com>
+
+huang,
+
+The errors that you see are because the version of
+Axiom that you are using is incomplete. Some of the
+required algebra modules have not been compiled by
+Axiom. I do not know the reason, however these missing
+modules sound like an early version of Axiom that
+first became available last Septerber 2003. At that
+time the Axiom make file was still incomplete and
+did not build all of the required algebra. This was
+corrected in versions of Axiom that became available
+at the Savannah development site some time around
+November 2003. But then there was a hacker attack
+on Savannah and that site become unavailable until
+nearly January (?). So we had to make do with temporary
+locations for the files. Perhaps you or the Debian
+developer (Camm, can you verify this?) somehow
+managed to get an older set of files.
+
+These missing modules seriously impact Axiom's
+ability to more than a few simple calculations.
+I think you should resolve this problem before
+distributing Axiom on the CD rom.
+
+Regards,
+Bill Page.
+
+
+> -----Original Message-----
+> From: chu-ching huang [mailto:cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw]
+> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:26 AM
+> To: Page, Bill
+> Subject: RE: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+> 
+> 
+> Hi Page, Bill 
+> 
+> Thanks for your help. I had download axiom_intro.tm and opened it in 
+> TeXmacs, but two errors shown:
+> 
+> 1. command about integration, for example:
+>    -> integrate(func,x)
+>    Cannot not open /usr/local/axiom/algebra/SIGNEF.o
+>    Actually, there exists SIGNRF.o but not SIGNEF.o in this directory
+> 2. command about series:
+>    -> series(func,x)
+>    the error is shown as:
+>    Cannot not open /usr/local/axiom/algebra/STTF.o
+>    There only exists STTFUNC.o but not STTF.o.
+
+\start
+Date: 25 Feb 2004 20:45:26 -0500
+From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+To: "Bill. Page1 (E-mail)" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+Cc: 'chu-ching huang' <cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw>
+
+Greetings!  The axiom debian package has these files.  (Its currently
+dated 20040128).  What makes you think Debian might be involved?
+
+Take care,
+
+"Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> writes:
+
+> huang,
+> 
+> The errors that you see are because the version of
+> Axiom that you are using is incomplete. Some of the
+> required algebra modules have not been compiled by
+> Axiom. I do not know the reason, however these missing
+> modules sound like an early version of Axiom that
+> first became available last Septerber 2003. At that
+> time the Axiom make file was still incomplete and
+> did not build all of the required algebra. This was
+> corrected in versions of Axiom that became available
+> at the Savannah development site some time around
+> November 2003. But then there was a hacker attack
+> on Savannah and that site become unavailable until
+> nearly January (?). So we had to make do with temporary
+> locations for the files. Perhaps you or the Debian
+> developer (Camm, can you verify this?) somehow
+> managed to get an older set of files.
+> 
+> These missing modules seriously impact Axiom's
+> ability to more than a few simple calculations.
+> I think you should resolve this problem before
+> distributing Axiom on the CD rom.
+> 
+> Regards,
+> Bill Page.
+> 
+> 
+> > -----Original Message-----
+> > From: chu-ching huang [mailto:cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw]
+> > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:26 AM
+> > To: Page, Bill
+> > Subject: RE: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+> > 
+> > 
+> > Hi Page, Bill 
+> > 
+> > Thanks for your help. I had download axiom_intro.tm and opened it in 
+> > TeXmacs, but two errors shown:
+> > 
+> > 1. command about integration, for example:
+> >    -> integrate(func,x)
+> >    Cannot not open /usr/local/axiom/algebra/SIGNEF.o
+> >    Actually, there exists SIGNRF.o but not SIGNEF.o in this directory
+> > 2. command about series:
+> >    -> series(func,x)
+> >    the error is shown as:
+> >    Cannot not open /usr/local/axiom/algebra/STTF.o
+> >    There only exists STTFUNC.o but not STTF.o.
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:15:43 -0500
+From: "Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca>
+To: 'Camm Maguire' <camm@enhanced.com>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+Cc: 'chu-ching huang' <cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw>
+
+Hi Camm,
+
+My recollection was (perhaps incorrectly) that
+chu-ching huang is using your Debian binaries for
+his LiveTeXmacs-1.0.3.3.iso Knoppix CD rom project.
+But checking through my email I can't confirm that.
+In fact in one place he refers to using RedHat 9.0.
+So clearly I am confused.
+
+Does you Debian version execute huang's two simple
+examples correctly? Then I will stand corrected. But
+still it seems that he must have an older version
+of the Axiom source.
+
+Do you still have problems with compatibility between
+TeXmacs and Axiom on the Debian platforms? (unrelated
+question)
+
+Regards,
+Bill Page.
+
+> -----Original Message-----
+> From: Camm Maguire [mailto:camm@enhanced.com]
+> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 8:45 PM
+> To: Bill. Page1 (E-mail)
+> Cc: 'chu-ching huang'; Axiom-Developer (E-mail)
+> Subject: Re: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+> 
+> 
+> Greetings!  The axiom debian package has these
+> files.  (Its currently dated 20040128).  What
+> makes you think Debian might be involved?
+> 
+> Take care,
+> 
+> "Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> writes:
+> ... 
+> > 
+> > > -----Original Message-----
+> > > From: chu-ching huang [mailto:cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw]
+> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:26 AM
+> > > To: Page, Bill
+> > > Subject: RE: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+> > > 
+> > > 
+> > > Hi Page, Bill 
+> > > 
+> > > Thanks for your help. I had download axiom_intro.tm
+> > > and opened it in TeXmacs, but two errors shown:
+> > > 
+> > > 1. command about integration, for example:
+> > >    -> integrate(func,x)
+> > >    Cannot not open /usr/local/axiom/algebra/SIGNEF.o
+> > >    Actually, there exists SIGNRF.o but not SIGNEF.o
+> > >    in this directory
+> > > 2. command about series:
+> > >    -> series(func,x)
+> > >    the error is shown as:
+> > >    Cannot not open /usr/local/axiom/algebra/STTF.o
+> > >    There only exists STTFUNC.o but not STTF.o.
+> > > 
+> > > 
+> > > Regards, 
+> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- 
+> > > chu-ching huang 
+> > >  
+> > > email address:cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw
+> > > 
+> -- 
+> Camm Maguire			     			
+> camm@enhanced.com
+> ==============================================================
+> ============
+> "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens."  -- 
+>  Baha'u'llah
+
+-----Original Message-----
+From: chu-ching huang [mailto:cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw]
+Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 8:08 PM
+To: texmacs-users@texmacs.org
+Subject: [TeXmacs] LiveTeXmacs-1.0.3.3 CDROM released
+
+
+Hi Joris and TeXmacs users,
+
+Before the Linux kernal changed to 2.6, A more compact
+Knoppix-based Linux CDROM focus on TeXmacs and CAS is
+released, about 701mb, (named LiveTeXmacs-1.0.3.3.iso, :-)).
+It contains: 
+TeXmacs-1.0.3.3, Octave, R , Maxima, graphviz , yacas,
+pari, gnuplot, Eukleides, Dr.Geo, qcl, rlab, Macaulay 2 (M2),
+Scilab, and some texmacs files ( in /usr/dems/TeXmacs)
+about Calculus (not yet finished). The image file will
+be downloaded from:
+
+ftp://math.cgu.edu.tw/pub/KNOPPIX
+ftp://diffusion.cgu.edu.tw/pub/KNOPPIX
+
+And this is to your new-born angel!
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:42:07 -0500
+From: "Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca>
+To: 'chu-ching huang' <cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+Cc: "Camm Maguire \(E-mail\)" <camm@enhanced.com>
+
+huang,
+
+The date 20031003 for Axiom source is too old.
+You should obtain complete new sources by cvs from
+
+  http://savannah.nongnu.org/cvs/?group=axiom
+
+Good luck!
+
+Regards,
+Bill Page.
+
+The following is a excerpt of the most recent CHANGELOG
+
+---------
+
+20040221 tpd Makefile.pamphlet add awkname to <<environment>>
+20040221 tpd Makefile upgraded to use gcl-2.6.2
+20040221 tpd Makefile.pamphlet upgraded to use gcl-2.6.2
+20040221 tpd lsp/Makefile.pamphlet upgraded to use gcl-2.6.2
+20040221 tpd zips/gcl-2.6.2.patches added
+20040221 tpd zips/gcl-2.6.2.tgz added
+20040209 tpd zips/tla-1.1.tar.gz added
+20040206 tpd src/etc/asq.c.pamphlet fix compiler warnings
+20040204 tpd Makefile.linux remove
+20040204 dxm src/clef/edible.c fix clef
+20040204 dxm src/etc/Makefile.pamphlet fix clef
+20040204 dxm src/etc/axiom fix clef
+20040204 dxm src/lib/Makefile.pamphlet fix clef
+20040204 dxm src/lib/openpty.c.pamphlet fix clef
+20040126 tpd src/boot/Makefile remove string-downcase
+20040125 jw  src/interp/Makefile case-sensitive fix by Juergen Weiss
+20040125 jw  src/interp/util.lisp case-sensitive fix by Juergen Weiss
+20040119 wys src/algebra/pleqn.spad updated by William Sit
+20040119 rr  src/algebra/reclos.spad updated by Renaud Rioboo
+20031124 tpd src/etc/axiom, remove clef
+20031115 tpd Makefile, fix "install" stanza to copy axiom, not axiomcmd
+20031115 tpd src/lib/Makefile, fix ${SRC}/Makefile.dvi to ${IN}/Makefile.dvi
+20031115 tpd Makefile, use ${AWK} in noweb build
+20031115 tpd Makefile, change Makefile.linux to use AWK=gawk
+20031112 tpd src/algebra/Makefile only rebuild database if algebra changes
+20031111 tpd lsp/Makefile removed --enable-readline
+20031111 tpd src/scripts/document fix path to notangle, noweave
+20031111 tpd lsp/ccl/src/util/Makefile use tangle
+20031111 tpd lsp/ccl/src/cslbase/Makefile use TANGLE
+20031111 tpd lsp/ccl/src/cclbase/Makefile use TANGLE
+20031111 tpd src/input/Makefile add additional tests
+20031111 tpd src/input/defs.input otherwise and when bugs
+20031111 tpd src/input/knownbugs.input fix typo
+20031111 tpd src/input/is.input fix typo
+20031111 tpd src/input/cycles1.input fix typo
+20031110 tpd Makefile removed WEAVE
+20031110 tpd src/scripts/document move noweb to lib, eliminate SPAD
+20031110 tpd Makefile move noweb commands to lib (out of user's path)
+20031110 tpd src/scripts remove tangle, weave
+20031110 tpd src/clef/Makefile, use TANGLE
+20031110 tpd src/doc/DeveloperNotes, use notangle -> tangle
+20031110 tpd src/doc/Makefile, use TANGLE
+20031110 tpd src/algebra/Makefile, use TANGLE
+20031110 tpd src/boot/Makefile, use TANGLE
+20031110 tpd src/etc/Makefile, use document command, use TANGLE
+20031110 tpd src/input/Makefile, use TANGLE, WEAVE
+20031110 tpd src/interp/Makefile, use TANGLE, WEAVE
+20031110 tpd src/lib/Makefile, use TANGLE, WEAVE
+20031110 tpd src/scripts/document use tangle, weave
+20031110 tpd src/scripts add tangle, weave
+20031110 tpd src/scripts remove notangle, noweave
+20031110 tpd Makefile add TANGLE, WEAVE variables, use them
+20031109 tpd src/interp/setq.lisp unbalanced quote typo fixed
+20031109 tpd src/lib/*.c.pamphlet change all the axiom.sty references
+20031109 tpd src/Makefile comment out graphdir
+20031109 tpd src/include/debug.h created
+20031109 tpd src/lib/Makefile add hash.c.pamphlet
+20031109 tpd src/lib/hash.c.pamphlet created
+20031109 tpd src/lib/Makefile add dvis to mnt/linux/doc
+20031109 tpd src/Makefile make lib subdirectories
+20031109 tpd src/Makefile add graphdir
+20031108 tpd Makefile changed to add XLIB for src/graph build
+20031106 tpd remove zips/gcl-2.5.2.tgz
+20031104 tpd src/interp/setq.lisp new kudos
+20031104 tpd README new kudos
+20031031 tpd src/Makefile add mkdir for mnt/linux/lib directory before etc
+20031031 tpd src/lib/sockio-c.c kill AXIOM socket message
+20031031 tpd src/clef/edible.c kill debugging message
+20031031 tpd update README for axiom command
+20031031 tpd update README for make install
+20031030 tpd Makefile make install
+20031030 tpd src/interp/Makefile rename axiom to AXIOMsys
+20031030 tpd src/etc/Makefile build axiom command in $AXIOM/bin
+20031030 tpd src/etc/axiom created
+20031030 tpd src/etc/axiom.nag removed
+20031030 tpd src/etc/axiom.2 removed
+20031030 tpd src/etc/axiom.1 removed
+20031030 tpd src/etc/Makefile add axiomcmd creation
+20031030 tpd src/etc/axiomcmd added shell script using clef
+20031030 tpd Makefile.pamphlet use proper stanza names in echo
+20031030 tpd src/lib/Makefile use CCF variable in compiles
+20031030 tpd src/lib/openpty.c recode to use LINUXplatform
+20031030 tpd src/lib/bsdsignal.c recode to use LINUXplatform
+20031030 tpd configure command added
+20031028 tpd src/interp/vmlisp.lisp, add COT, ASEC functions
+20031028 tpd src/doc/Makefile, copy DeveloperNotes to MID
+20031028 tpd src/interp/vmlisp.lisp, changed list to cons in manexp
+20031028 tpd src/input/Makefile, rearranged working/failing tests
+20031028 tpd src/etc/Makefile, added summary, copyright here instead of lib
+20031028 tpd src/etc/axiom.2 removed IBM Research Version echo
+20031028 tpd src/lib/Makefile changed to pass -Dlinux, use ${CC}
+20031028 tpd src/lib/bsdsignal.c modified for linux
+20031028 tpd src/lib/openpty.c modified for linux
+20031028 tpd src/clef/Makefile created
+20031028 tpd src/clef/edible.c created
+20031028 tpd src/clef created
+20031028 tpd src/Makefile, add clef
+20031028 tpd src/algebra/Makefile added RSDCMPK, INTRVL, ODEEF
+20031028 tpd src/share/doc/msgs/s2-us.msgs, changed banner message
+20031028 tpd Makefile.dvi removed, per Camm's request
+20031028 tpd rewrite README
+20031028 tpd src/input/r2.* to r2* file rename
+20031028 tpd src/input/Makefile, rename r2.* to r2* stanzas
+20031028 tpd src/input/Makefile, run all tests
+20031028 tpd src/interp/vmlisp.lisp, add Juergen's get-current-directory fn
+20031028 tpd src/interp/vmlisp.lisp, add Juergen's acot function
+20031028 tpd src/Makefile, changed to create mnt/linux/lib
+20031028 tpd src/lib/Makefile, changed to copy summary, copyright
+20031028 tpd src/lib/copyright, added
+20031028 tpd src/lib/summary, added
+20031028 tpd src/interp/vmlisp.lisp, add Juergen's acot function
+20031028 tpd src/interp/msgdb.boot, change startup msgs
+20031028 tpd src/scripts/tail renamed to boxtail
+20031028 tpd src/scripts/head renamed to boxhead
+20031028 tpd src/scripts/boxup now uses boxhead, boxtail
+20031028 tpd src/doc/Makefile, run document on DeveloperNotes
+20031028 tpd src/interp/vmlisp.lisp, add Juergen's manexp function
+20031027 tpd regen Makefile.dvi
+20031027 tpd update src/input/Makefile with new tests
+20031026 tpd remove Makefile.dvi files
+20031025 wsp src/share/algebra/*.daase re-add Weiss CMU-CL version databases
+20031024 tpd remove Makefiles, leave Makefile.pamphlets
+20031024 wsp src/share/algegbra/*.daase update databases
+20031024 wsp src/algegbra/Makefile complete lattice layers 22 and 23
+20031024 tpd src/input/Makefile enable test cases
+20031024 tpd src/Makefile add share
+20031024 tpd src/share/Makefile re-fix doc/hypertex/pages/util.ht
+20031023 tpd removed zips/gcl* versions except 2.5.2 and 2.6.1
+20031022 tpd Makefile* gcl-2.6.1.tgz added
+20031022 tpd lsp/Makefile* gcl-2.6.1.tgz added
+20031022 tpd zips/gcl-2.6.1.* patches created
+20031022 tpd zips/gcl-2.6.1.tgz added
+20031015 tpd src/algebra/tex.spad add infinity to tex output mode
+20031010 tpd fix copyright/license per NAG request
+20031005 tpd src/interp/Makefile fix version explanation for *yearweek*
+20031005 tpd src/algebra/INTERP.EXPOSED.pamphlet removed 
+20031005 tpd src/interp/Makefile removed INTERP.EXPOSED
+20031003 tpd src/interp/compiler.boot fix stack overflow in compMacro
+...
+
+
+> -----Original Message-----
+> From: chu-ching huang [mailto:cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw]
+> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 9:26 PM
+> To: Bill. Page1 (E-mail)
+> Subject: RE: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+> 
+> 
+> On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:15:43 -0500, Page, Bill wrote
+> > Hi Camm,
+> > 
+> > My recollection was (perhaps incorrectly) that
+> > chu-ching huang is using your Debian binaries for
+> > his LiveTeXmacs-1.0.3.3.iso Knoppix CD rom project.
+> 
+> Binary means deb? No, axiom is installed directly from
+> source compiling,
+> The top date shown in "CHANGLOG" is 20031003. 
+>   
+> 
+> > But checking through my email I can't confirm that.
+> > In fact in one place he refers to using RedHat 9.0.
+> > So clearly I am confused.
+> > 
+> > Does you Debian version execute huang's two simple
+> > examples correctly? Then I will stand corrected. But
+> > still it seems that he must have an older version
+> > of the Axiom source.
+> 
+> Axiom is used on Both Red-hat and Knoppix systems.
+
+\start
+Date: 26 Feb 2004 10:11:12 -0500
+From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+To: "Bill. Page1 (E-mail)" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+Cc: 'chu-ching huang' <cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw>
+
+Greetings!
+
+"Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> writes:
+
+> Hi Camm,
+> 
+> My recollection was (perhaps incorrectly) that
+> chu-ching huang is using your Debian binaries for
+> his LiveTeXmacs-1.0.3.3.iso Knoppix CD rom project.
+> But checking through my email I can't confirm that.
+> In fact in one place he refers to using RedHat 9.0.
+> So clearly I am confused.
+> 
+> Does you Debian version execute huang's two simple
+> examples correctly? Then I will stand corrected. But
+> still it seems that he must have an older version
+> of the Axiom source.
+> 
+
+I'll double check if you can send me the definitions of func. 
+
+> Do you still have problems with compatibility between
+> TeXmacs and Axiom on the Debian platforms? (unrelated
+> question)
+
+The Debian texmacs maintainer has beat me to it.  He has applied the
+following patch to texmacs for Debian, which (I've just confirmed)
+makes axiom thereunder work just fine:
+
+diff -urNad /home/rt/debian/own/texmacs/texmacs-1.0.3/plugins/axiom/progs/init-axiom.scm texmacs-1.0.3/plugins/axiom/progs/init-axiom.scm
+--- /home/rt/debian/own/texmacs/texmacs-1.0.3/plugins/axiom/progs/init-axiom.scm	2004-01-13 21:00:39.000000000 +0100
++++ texmacs-1.0.3/plugins/axiom/progs/init-axiom.scm	2004-01-23 21:12:22.000000000 +0100
+@@ -17,7 +17,7 @@
+   (lazy-input-converter (axiom-input) axiom))
+ 
+ (plugin-configure axiom
+-  (:require (url-exists-in-path? "AXIOMsys"))
++  (:require (url-exists-in-path? "/usr/bin/axiom"))
+   (:initialize (axiom-initialize))
+   (:launch "tm_axiom")
+   (:session "Axiom"))
+diff -urNad /home/rt/debian/own/texmacs/texmacs-1.0.3/plugins/axiom/src/tm_axiom.c texmacs-1.0.3/plugins/axiom/src/tm_axiom.c
+--- /home/rt/debian/own/texmacs/texmacs-1.0.3/plugins/axiom/src/tm_axiom.c	2004-01-13 21:00:39.000000000 +0100
++++ texmacs-1.0.3/plugins/axiom/src/tm_axiom.c	2004-01-23 21:12:20.000000000 +0100
+@@ -299,8 +299,8 @@
+     case 0: /* Axiom */
+       dup2(p1[1],1); close(p1[1]); close(p1[0]);
+       dup2(p2[0],0); close(p2[0]); close(p2[1]);
+-      execlp("AXIOMsys","AXIOMsys","-noclef",0);
+-      fatal("exec AXIOMsys");
++      execlp("/usr/bin/axiom","/usr/bin/axiom","-noclef",0);
++      fatal("exec /usr/bin/axiom");
+     default: /* parent */
+       close(p1[1]); close(p2[0]);
+       axin=fdopen(p2[1],"w"); axout=fdopen(p1[0],"r");
+
+I haven't yet released the new Debian axiom with the symlink and am
+wondering if it is still advisable.
+
+Take care,
+
+
+> 
+> Regards,
+> Bill Page.
+> 
+> > -----Original Message-----
+> > From: Camm Maguire [mailto:camm@enhanced.com]
+> > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 8:45 PM
+> > To: Bill. Page1 (E-mail)
+> > Cc: 'chu-ching huang'; Axiom-Developer (E-mail)
+> > Subject: Re: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+> > 
+> > 
+> > Greetings!  The axiom debian package has these
+> > files.  (Its currently dated 20040128).  What
+> > makes you think Debian might be involved?
+> > 
+> > Take care,
+> > 
+> > "Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca> writes:
+> > ... 
+> > > 
+> > > > -----Original Message-----
+> > > > From: chu-ching huang [mailto:cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw]
+> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:26 AM
+> > > > To: Page, Bill
+> > > > Subject: RE: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+> > > > 
+> > > > 
+> > > > Hi Page, Bill 
+> > > > 
+> > > > Thanks for your help. I had download axiom_intro.tm
+> > > > and opened it in TeXmacs, but two errors shown:
+> > > > 
+> > > > 1. command about integration, for example:
+> > > >    -> integrate(func,x)
+> > > >    Cannot not open /usr/local/axiom/algebra/SIGNEF.o
+> > > >    Actually, there exists SIGNRF.o but not SIGNEF.o
+> > > >    in this directory
+> > > > 2. command about series:
+> > > >    -> series(func,x)
+> > > >    the error is shown as:
+> > > >    Cannot not open /usr/local/axiom/algebra/STTF.o
+> > > >    There only exists STTFUNC.o but not STTF.o.
+> > > > 
+> > > > 
+> > > > Regards, 
+> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- 
+> > > > chu-ching huang 
+> > > >  
+> > > > email address:cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw
+> > > > 
+> > -- 
+> > Camm Maguire			     			
+> > camm@enhanced.com
+> > ==============================================================
+> > ============
+> > "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens."  -- 
+> >  Baha'u'llah
+> 
+> 
+> 
+> -----Original Message-----
+> From: chu-ching huang [mailto:cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw]
+> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 8:08 PM
+> To: texmacs-users@texmacs.org
+> Subject: [TeXmacs] LiveTeXmacs-1.0.3.3 CDROM released
+> 
+> 
+> Hi Joris and TeXmacs users,
+> 
+> Before the Linux kernal changed to 2.6, A more compact
+> Knoppix-based Linux CDROM focus on TeXmacs and CAS is
+> released, about 701mb, (named LiveTeXmacs-1.0.3.3.iso, :-)).
+> It contains: 
+> TeXmacs-1.0.3.3, Octave, R , Maxima, graphviz , yacas,
+> pari, gnuplot, Eukleides, Dr.Geo, qcl, rlab, Macaulay 2 (M2),
+> Scilab, and some texmacs files ( in /usr/dems/TeXmacs)
+> about Calculus (not yet finished). The image file will
+> be downloaded from:
+> 
+> ftp://math.cgu.edu.tw/pub/KNOPPIX
+> ftp://diffusion.cgu.edu.tw/pub/KNOPPIX
+> 
+> And this is to your new-born angel!
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:55:27 -0500
+From: "Bill Page" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
+To: "'Camm Maguire'" <camm@enhanced.com>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+Cc: 'chu-ching huang' <cchuang@mail.cgu.edu.tw>
+
+Camm,
+
+Arrrggggh!
+
+They are just undoing the use of AXIOMsys that Joris agreed
+to the last time he updated the tm_axiom source... <sigh>
+
+Couldn't they have at least used /usr/bin/AXIOMsys ??
+
+Is this standard Debian policy to put such absolute
+names in products instead of update PATH or putting
+a link in a standard place?  This seems wrong to me.
+
+About: "I haven't yet released the new Debian axiom
+with the symlink and am wondering if it is still
+advisable."
+
+In my opinion, yes it is still advisable and the TeXmacs
+maintainer should return to the source as distributed
+by Joris.
+
+Regards,
+Bill Page.
+
+> -----Original Message-----
+> From: Camm Maguire [mailto:camm@enhanced.com] 
+> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 10:11 AM
+> To: Bill. Page1 (E-mail)
+> Cc: 'chu-ching huang'; Axiom-Developer (E-mail)
+> Subject: Re: [TeXmacs] Axiom plugin
+> 
+> 
+> Greetings!
+> 
+> ... 
+> > Do you still have problems with compatibility between
+> > TeXmacs and Axiom on the Debian platforms? (unrelated
+> > question)
+> 
+> The Debian texmacs maintainer has beat me to it.  He has 
+> applied the following patch to texmacs for Debian, which 
+> (I've just confirmed) makes axiom thereunder work just fine:
+> 
+> diff -urNad 
+> /home/rt/debian/own/texmacs/texmacs-1.0.3/plugins/axiom/progs/
+> init-axiom.scm texmacs-1.0.3/plugins/axiom/progs/init-axiom.scm
+> --- 
+> /home/rt/debian/own/texmacs/texmacs-1.0.3/plugins/axiom/progs/
+> init-axiom.scm	2004-01-13 21:00:39.000000000 +0100
+> +++ texmacs-1.0.3/plugins/axiom/progs/init-axiom.scm	
+> 2004-01-23 21:12:22.000000000 +0100
+> @@ -17,7 +17,7 @@
+>    (lazy-input-converter (axiom-input) axiom))
+>  
+>  (plugin-configure axiom
+> -  (:require (url-exists-in-path? "AXIOMsys"))
+> +  (:require (url-exists-in-path? "/usr/bin/axiom"))
+>    (:initialize (axiom-initialize))
+>    (:launch "tm_axiom")
+>    (:session "Axiom"))
+> diff -urNad 
+> /home/rt/debian/own/texmacs/texmacs-1.0.3/plugins/axiom/src/tm
+> _axiom.c texmacs-1.0.3/plugins/axiom/src/tm_axiom.c
+> --- 
+> /home/rt/debian/own/texmacs/texmacs-1.0.3/plugins/axiom/src/tm
+> _axiom.c	2004-01-13 21:00:39.000000000 +0100
+> +++ texmacs-1.0.3/plugins/axiom/src/tm_axiom.c	
+> 2004-01-23 21:12:20.000000000 +0100
+> @@ -299,8 +299,8 @@
+>      case 0: /* Axiom */
+>        dup2(p1[1],1); close(p1[1]); close(p1[0]);
+>        dup2(p2[0],0); close(p2[0]); close(p2[1]);
+> -      execlp("AXIOMsys","AXIOMsys","-noclef",0);
+> -      fatal("exec AXIOMsys");
+> +      execlp("/usr/bin/axiom","/usr/bin/axiom","-noclef",0);
+> +      fatal("exec /usr/bin/axiom");
+>      default: /* parent */
+>        close(p1[1]); close(p2[0]);
+>        axin=fdopen(p2[1],"w"); axout=fdopen(p1[0],"r");
+> 
+> I haven't yet released the new Debian axiom with the symlink 
+> and am wondering if it is still advisable.
+
+
+
+\start
+Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:36:34 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: icmgroup@mcs.kent.edu
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Axiom
+
+I'm Tim Daly, the lead developer on the Axiom project
+(homepage: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/axiom).
+
+I'd like to explore ways that Axiom can cooperate with your group's
+efforts. In particular I see that you've been doing some work with
+OpenMath. Axiom, thru the work of Mike Dewar, has OpenMath support
+and we'd like to re-enable the use of OpenMath. 
+
+Is there any interest in the ICM group for a cooperative effort?
+
+\start
+Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:24:44 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, mdunstan@computing.dundee.ac.uk
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] gnu-arch axiom--book--1
+
+The Axiom book is coming along. The entire book can now be extracted
+from src/doc/book.pamphlet and the resulting tex file will properly
+completely (though not fullly correctly) tex.
+
+I've worked on the whole book and proofread the first 200 pages of the
+electronic copy of the book which correspond to the first 4 chapters
+of the paper version.
+
+The electronic version is different from the paper version and 
+incorporates work by Martin Dunstan. Once the first completed
+version is finished there are yet other changes to incorporate.
+
+You can get the latest copy by using GNU-Arch (the tar gzip file
+is in the zips directory of the latest Axiom CVS version).
+
+0. tla my-default-archive axiom@tenkan.org--axiom
+1. tla archive-setup axiom-book--1
+2. tla get axiom-book--1--patch-8
+3. cd axiom--book--1
+4. export AXIOM=`pwd`/mnt/linux
+5. make start
+6. cd src/doc
+7. export PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH
+8. document -o noise book
+9. xdvi book.dvi
+
+
+\start
+Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:31:08 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, mdunstan@computing.dundee.ac.uk
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] gnu-arch axiom--book--1 (corrected version of instructions)
+
+The Axiom book is coming along. The entire book can now be extracted
+from src/doc/book.pamphlet and the resulting tex file will properly
+completely (though not fullly correctly) tex.
+
+I've worked on the whole book and proofread the first 200 pages of the
+electronic copy of the book which correspond to the first 4 chapters
+of the paper version.
+
+The electronic version is different from the paper version and 
+incorporates work by Martin Dunstan. Once the first completed
+version is finished there are yet other changes to incorporate.
+
+You can get the latest copy by using GNU-Arch (the tar gzip file
+is in the zips directory of the latest Axiom CVS version).
+
+0. tla my-default-archive axiom@tenkan.org--axiom
+1. tla archive-setup axiom-book--1
+2. tla get axiom-book--1
+3. cd axiom--book--1--patch-8
+4. export AXIOM=`pwd`/mnt/linux
+5. make start
+6. cd src/doc
+7. export PATH=$AXIOM/bin:$PATH
+8. document -o noise book
+9. xdvi book.dvi
+
+
+\start
+Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:30:29 -0500
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, mdunstan@computing.dundee.ac.uk
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] gnu-arch axiom--book--1
+
+Also of note is that I've exported yet another effort to the Arch
+archive. I've been looking at the details of integrating Axiom and ACL2.
+The branch is called axiom--acl2--1 and can be retrieved by:
+
+0. tla my-default-archive axiom@tenkan.org--axiom
+1. tla archive-setup axiom-acl2--1
+2. tla get axiom-acl2--1
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
diff --git a/changelog b/changelog
index e5a8ffa..fce4a08 100644
--- a/changelog
+++ b/changelog
@@ -1,5 +1,7 @@
-20140420 tpd src/axiom-website/patches.html 20140421.01.tpd.patch
-20140420 tpd book/2004-01.txt regularize
+20140422 tpd src/axiom-website/patches.html 20140422.01.tpd.patch
+20140422 tpd book/2004-02.txt regularize
+20140421 tpd src/axiom-website/patches.html 20140421.01.tpd.patch
+20140421 tpd book/2004-01.txt regularize
 20140420 tpd src/axiom-website/patches.html 20140420.03.tpd.patch
 20140420 tpd book/2003-12.txt regularize
 20140420 tpd src/axiom-website/patches.html 20140420.02.tpd.patch
diff --git a/src/axiom-website/patches.html b/src/axiom-website/patches.html
index 2604279..5ecef7b 100644
--- a/src/axiom-website/patches.html
+++ b/src/axiom-website/patches.html
@@ -4288,6 +4288,8 @@ book/2003-11.txt regularize
 book/2003-12.txt regularize
 <a href="patches/20140421.01.tpd.patch">20140421.01.tpd.patch</a>
 book/2004-01.txt regularize
+<a href="patches/20140422.01.tpd.patch">20140422.01.tpd.patch</a>
+book/2004-02.txt regularize
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