diff --git a/book/2006-08.txt b/book/2006-08.txt index 28ef791..0a6f604 100644 --- a/book/2006-08.txt +++ b/book/2006-08.txt @@ -24452,7 +24452,7 @@ ________________________________ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:40:21 -0700 To: Bill Page, Alfredo Portes Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Sage on MathAction -From: "William Stein" William Stein +From: William Stein Cc: list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:02:03 -0700, Page, Bill Bill Page wrote: diff --git a/book/2006-09.txt b/book/2006-09.txt index f61cc30..4036377 100644 --- a/book/2006-09.txt +++ b/book/2006-09.txt @@ -7588,7 +7588,7 @@ I'll stopt it there; thanks for your time. \start Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:16:35 -0700 To: Bill Page, Tom Boothby -From: "William Stein" William Stein +From: William Stein Cc: list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] NotebookWiki @@ -7802,7 +7802,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:11:55 -0700 To: Bill Page -From: "William Stein" William Stein +From: William Stein Cc: list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Hopefully stupid question @@ -7844,7 +7844,7 @@ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 22:12:43 -0400 Thread-Topic: [SAGEdev] NotebookWiki Thread-Index: AcbRScPdOqTBevZXR0+UgAl4HM0wmgADEIDg From: Bill Page -To: "William Stein" William Stein +To: William Stein Cc: Tom Boothby, list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [SAGEdev] NotebookWiki @@ -7957,7 +7957,7 @@ Tim Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:44:32 -0700 To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: Hopefully stupid question -From: "William Stein" William Stein +From: William Stein <200609060213.k862DxO12247@localhost.localdomain> Cc: list, sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net @@ -8255,7 +8255,7 @@ Camm Maguire Camm Maguire Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 21:47:47 -0700 To: Justin Walker, list Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Hopefully stupid question -From: "William Stein" William Stein +From: William Stein <200609060213.k862DxO12247@localhost.localdomain> @@ -8582,7 +8582,7 @@ I'm beginning to like the cut of his jibberish. \start To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: [SAGEdev] Hopefully stupid question -From: "William Stein" William Stein +From: William Stein <200609060213.k862DxO12247@localhost.localdomain> @@ -21121,7 +21121,7 @@ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:53:03 -0700 To: Bill Page, "bug reports and users' support questions" , "Enrique Acosta" -From: "William Stein" William Stein +From: William Stein Cc: list Subject: Re: [SAGEsupport] Doyen and Sage (was: SAGE) @@ -23158,7 +23158,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:57:45 -0700 To: Bill Page, Alfredo Portes -From: "William Stein" William Stein +From: William Stein Cc: list, Enrique Acosta , sage-devel@lists.sourceforge.net @@ -27067,7 +27067,7 @@ t \start To: "list" -From: "William Stein" William Stein +From: William Stein @@ -27080,7 +27080,7 @@ Subject: Fwd: Re: SAGE ------- Forwarded message ------- From: "Enrique Acosta" -To: "William Stein" William Stein +To: William Stein Cc: Subject: Re: SAGE Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:05:33 -0700 @@ -29613,7 +29613,7 @@ Bill Page. \start Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:24:55 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "William Stein" William Stein +To: William Stein boundary="----=_Part_46042_21297433.1158333895581" @@ -29677,7 +29677,7 @@ Probably Tim and Bill extend on the idea.

Regards,

Alfre \start Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:30:20 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes -To: "William Stein" William Stein +To: William Stein boundary="----=_Part_46230_12379631.1158334220349" diff --git a/book/2007-07.txt b/book/2007-07.txt index 3fec799..f63f79a 100644 --- a/book/2007-07.txt +++ b/book/2007-07.txt @@ -15505,7 +15505,7 @@ Subject: FriCAS mailing list There is now a Google group (mailing list): -fricas-devel@googlegroups.com + It is intended that all FriCAS specific discussion should take place on the fricas-devel list. @@ -23254,7 +23254,7 @@ From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Camm Maguire Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: Gcl-2.6.8 on Intel Solaris 10 <54y7hkvv69.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com> -Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, +Cc: list, , gcl-devel@gnu.org On Fri, 13 Jul 2007, Camm Maguire wrote: diff --git a/book/2007-09.txt b/book/2007-09.txt index 67aafa5..7131fb3 100644 --- a/book/2007-09.txt +++ b/book/2007-09.txt @@ -2581,7 +2581,7 @@ APL2, would that satisfy some or all of your concerns? \start Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 11:18:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com +To: Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: APL2 is evil [was: Re: Cc: Stephen Watt, Christian Aistleitner, Bill Page diff --git a/book/2007-10.txt b/book/2007-10.txt index 161a825..26e06bf 100644 --- a/book/2007-10.txt +++ b/book/2007-10.txt @@ -1,22 +1,7 @@ \start -To: Tim Daly - <9qfy0zmhol.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200709280646.l8S6kZU30652@localhost.localdomain> - <9q641ty4k7.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200709291543.l8TFhXk31748@localhost.localdomain> - <9q641ta24s.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200709291647.l8TGlJB31812@localhost.localdomain> - <9qmyv55s3q.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200709291710.l8THABB31834@localhost.localdomain> - <9qve9tpdgo.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200709292332.l8TNWos31904@localhost.localdomain> - <9q3awx2c24.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200709300232.l8U2WO131964@localhost.localdomain> - <9qd4w0ljho.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200709302340.l8UNeVP07393@localhost.localdomain> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 01 Oct 2007 08:12:14 +0200 -Cc: list, axiom-math@nongnu.org +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: pfaffian.input.pamphlet Tim Daly writes: @@ -35,19 +20,10 @@ Tim Daly writes: I didn't check for odd n since I didn't check for skew-symmetry either. Yes, one should, in a production environment. -Martin - - - - \start -To: Alasdair McAndrew, William Sit, - Bill Page -From: Martin Rubey Date: 01 Oct 2007 09:58:55 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel , - open-axiom-devel , - fricas-devel +From: Martin Rubey +To: Alasdair McAndrew, William Sit, Bill Page Subject: emacs mode After a few more modifications, axiom.el now also works without X. Could you @@ -75,22 +51,11 @@ but I do not know whether this is available under MS Windows, too. Finally, I'd really really really like to have some feedback. Am I the only user of this emacs mode? If so, why? -Martin - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 05:38:34 -0400 From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs - Sep 2007 20:37:45 -0700) Subject: Re: End Of File - <470068B3.1080108@shaw.ca> - <200710010331.l913ViY07447@localhost.localdomain> - <47006B89.6080400@shaw.ca> -Cc: list >> Are you able to read from a socket? >I don't understand. Isn't this what we're doing in axserver? @@ -99,22 +64,11 @@ yes, but while i'm able to connect to the socket i'm unable to read any data from the socket. i always get "" which causes an infinite loop. -Tim - - - \start Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 08:51:54 -0700 From: Arthur Ralfs -Subject: Re: End Of File To: Tim Daly -Message-id: <4701179A.3020009@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <470068B3.1080108@shaw.ca> - <200710010331.l913ViY07447@localhost.localdomain> - <47006B89.6080400@shaw.ca> - <200710010938.l919cYq07840@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list +Subject: Re: End Of File root wrote: >>> Are you able to read from a socket? @@ -134,16 +88,10 @@ doesn't work for you? I find it's quite snappy now, especially if READ_-CHAR_-NO_-HANG is replaced with READ_-LINE for GETting files -Arthur - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 02:13:58 -0500 -To: Alfredo Portes, - Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Alfredo Portes, Arthur Ralfs Subject: newhyper.pamphlet Alfredo, Arthur, @@ -192,20 +140,10 @@ I know I can do it but it's been a while and you've looked at it recently. It could possibly take a non-default port such as )browser 7000 -Tim - - - \start -To: fricas-devel , - open-axiom-devel , - axiom-devel - <9qtzpczzny.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9qhclcljmm.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <9q641pen7e.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 02 Oct 2007 14:07:12 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: Re: [ANN] new version of axiom mode for emacs. Martin Rubey writes: @@ -217,16 +155,10 @@ Martin Rubey writes: Just realised that axiom in fact provides a command )undo, as well as redo. It remains to check how I can combine this suitably with emacs' undo facility... -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:28:07 -0400 From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: raw sockets on XP I've been looking into the raw socket programming issue for gcl and found: @@ -286,17 +218,11 @@ disabled. Quick summary from Microsoft's specification sockets. The IP source address for any outgoing UDP datagram must exist on a network interface or the datagram is dropped. - - - - \start -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, axiom-devel , - open-axiom-devel -From: Martin Rubey Date: 03 Oct 2007 08:14:00 +0200 -Cc: -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: emacs mode +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: Re: Re: emacs mode Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -319,19 +245,11 @@ and to get useful behaviour, that might also be closer to what some MMA and Maple users expect. -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 03 Oct 2007 10:19:47 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Francois Maltey Subject: Re: emacs mode -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 03 Oct 2007 10:19:47 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel , - open-axiom-devel , - fricas-devel (I hope I do not offend you by forwarding this to the lists) @@ -352,16 +270,10 @@ it might break something... use nullity. -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:46:35 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: 20071003.01.tpd.patch This patch adds lisp code and spad code to support a browser-based @@ -824,15 +736,12 @@ index 0000000..9db87f8 +(defun |SiCopyStream| (q s) (si::copy-stream q s)) + - - \start Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:14:18 -0400 From: Tim Daly To: Camm Maguire -Cc: list, "C. Frangos" Constantine Frangos -Subject: [Constantine Frangos: Re: Installing axiom on - suse linux 10.2] +Subject: [Constantine Frangos: Re: Installing axiom on suse linux 10.2] +Cc: Constantine Frangos Camm, @@ -844,12 +753,6 @@ for the .h files. Do you have any insight into this? Tim ------- Start of forwarded message ------- - charset="CP 1253" -From: "C. Frangos" Constantine Frangos -To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: Installing axiom on suse linux 10.2 -Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:00:10 +0200 - I tried the instructions and it seems that the )sys command is working. @@ -911,38 +814,25 @@ C. Frangos. >> the problem is that gcc cannot be found. If the file is >> not erased then the system function is not working and >> we have to get Camm (the GCL maintainer) involved. ->> ->> Tim -------- End of forwarded message ------- - - \start -From: C. Frangos Constantine Frangos -To: list Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:04:32 +0200 -Cc: axiom-math@nongnu.org +From: Constantine Frangos +To: list Subject: Axiom: Matrix manipulations - - -I have tried to read in the file test.input pasted below. However,=20 +I have tried to read in the file test.input pasted below. However, I am getting continuously error messages re. the matrix Acon, and have be= -en=20 +en unable to make progress. Any assistance would be appreciated. -Thanks very much. - -C. Frangos. - - --file test.input --)read expandsincos.input -Acon :=3D matrix([[1 , 0 , Lo1*sin(phi) , -sin(phi)*a , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0= +Acon := matrix([[1 , 0 , Lo1*sin(phi) , -sin(phi)*a , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0= ],_ [0 , 1 , -Lo1*cos(phi) , a*cos(phi) , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0],_ [1 , 0 , -Lo1*sin(phi) , 0 , -a*sin(phi), 0 , 0 , 0 , 0],- @@ -950,11 +840,11 @@ Acon :=3D matrix([[1 , 0 , Lo1*sin(phi) , -sin(phi)*a , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0= [1,0,-Lc*cos(phi)+Lo1*sin(phi),0,0,0,-a*sin(phi)*cos(delta3)_ -a*cos(phi)*sin(delta3),0,0],_ [0,1,-Lc*sin(phi)-Lo1*cos(phi),0,0,0,a*cos(phi)*cos(delta3)_ --a*sin(phi)*sin(delta3),0,0],_=20 +-a*sin(phi)*sin(delta3),0,0],_ [1,-Lc*cos(phi)-Lo1*sin(phi),0,0,(-2*sin(phi)*Lo1*sin(delta3)-sin(phi)*_ Lc*cos(delta3)-cos(phi)*Lc*sin(delta3))*a/sqrt(4*Lo1^2*sin(delta3)^2+_ 4*Lo1*sin(delta3)*Lc*cos(delta3)+Lc^2*cos(delta3)^2+Lc^2*sin(delta3)^2),0= -,0,0],_=20 +,0,0],_ [0,1,-Lc*sin(phi)+Lo1*cos(phi),0,0,a*(2*cos(phi)*Lo1*sin(delta3)+_ cos(phi)*Lc*cos(delta3)-sin(phi)*Lc*sin(delta3))/sqrt(4*Lo1^2*sin(delta3)= ^2+_ @@ -962,28 +852,23 @@ cos(phi)*Lc*cos(delta3)-sin(phi)*Lc*sin(delta3))/sqrt(4*Lo1^2*sin(delta3)= ,0,0],_ [0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 1 , 1 , 0 , -k]]) -rankAcon :=3D rank(Acon) +rankAcon := rank(Acon) -nullityAcon :=3D nullity(Acon) +nullityAcon := nullity(Acon) -Aconre :=3D rowEchelon(Acon) +Aconre := rowEchelon(Acon) -Aconnull :=3D nullSpace(Acon) +Aconnull := nullSpace(Acon) --end of file. - - - - \start -Subject: Re: [Constantine Frangos: Re: Installing axiom on - suse linux 10.2] -To: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:33:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, "C. Frangos" Constantine Frangos +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [Constantine Frangos: Re: Installing axiom on suse linux 10.2] +Cc: Constantine Frangos > Camm, > @@ -1008,20 +893,12 @@ In wh-sandbox I worked around the problem by making sure that for user compiler::*default-system-p* is set to nil (it _must_ be set to t during build). --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -From: Camm Maguire Date: 04 Oct 2007 08:52:46 -0400 -Cc: list, "C. Frangos" Constantine Frangos, - gcl-devel@gnu.org -Subject: Re: [Constantine Frangos: Re: Installing axiom - on suse linux 10.2] +From: Camm Maguire +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: [Constantine Frangos: Re: Installing axiom on suse linux 10.2] +Cc: Constantine Frangos Greetings! @@ -1146,26 +1023,11 @@ Tim Daly writes: > >> the problem is that gcc cannot be found. If the file is > >> not erased then the system function is not working and > >> we have to get Camm (the GCL maintainer) involved. -> >> -> >> Tim -> ---------- -> -> -> -> - --- -Camm Maguire Camm Maguire -========================================================================== -"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:12:20 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: 20071004.01.tpd.patch This patch adds regression testing of Axiom's ordinary differential @@ -3127,13 +2989,10 @@ index 0000000..d1a9d8b +\end{thebibliography} +\end{document} - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:19:05 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: 20071004.02.tpd.patch This patch adds the next 50 Kamke ordinary differential equations in @@ -5312,14 +5171,11 @@ index 0000000..2b5237a +\end{thebibliography} +\end{document} - - \start -Subject: Re: Axiom: Matrix manipulations -To: Constantine Frangos Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 00:35:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: list, axiom-math@nongnu.org +To: Constantine Frangos +Subject: Re: Axiom: Matrix manipulations C. Frangos wrote: > I have tried to read in the file test.input pasted below. However, @@ -5366,18 +5222,10 @@ After correcting the two problems above (I added leading 0 to the short row) I get rank 8 and [[0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,0]] as nullSpace. - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 23:21:37 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: 20071005.01.tpd.patch This patch adds Axiom regression tests of Kamke ODEs 101-150 @@ -7159,13 +7007,10 @@ index 0000000..2c8be63 +\end{thebibliography} +\end{document} - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 02:23:32 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: 20071005.02.tpd.patch This patch adds Axiom regression tests of Kamke ODEs 151-200 @@ -9900,13 +9745,10 @@ index 0000000..2d9ac94 +\end{thebibliography} +\end{document} - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:47:45 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: 20071005.03.tpd.patch This patch adds Axiom regression tests of Kamke ODE 201-250 @@ -11419,13 +11261,10 @@ index 0000000..57e395d +\end{document} + - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:06:45 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: 20071005.04.tpd.patch This patch adds Axiom regression tests of Kamke ODE 251-300 @@ -13111,13 +12950,10 @@ index 0000000..34a8ee0 +\end{thebibliography} +\end{document} - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 01:06:19 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: 20071006.01.tpd.patch This patch adds Axiom regression tests of Kamke ODEs 301-350 @@ -16830,13 +16666,10 @@ index 0000000..ad31cd3 +\end{thebibliography} +\end{document} - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:46:50 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: 20071006.02.tpd.patch This patch adds the remaining Kamke ODEs that give results in Axiom. @@ -18427,20 +18260,12 @@ index 0000000..eb989d3 +\end{thebibliography} +\end{document} - - \start Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:03:11 -0700 From: Arthur Ralfs To: Tim Daly -Message-id: <470CDB9F.2060409@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 -Cc: list Subject: axserver patches -This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------040100020602050601060703 - Tim, These patches should make the versions of axserver.spad.pamphlet @@ -18872,14 +18697,10 @@ Arthur --------------040100020602050601060703-- - - \start Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:56:33 -0400 From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs - Oct 2007 07:03:11 -0700) -Cc: list Subject: Re: axserver patches Arthur, @@ -18888,17 +18709,10 @@ I applied your changes and the web service is much faster. However, the browser no longer displays the results as mathml. I can't imagine what's changed. The browser is exactly the same. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:49:36 -0500 -To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs, - Alasdair McAndrew - Alfredo Portes -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Arthur Ralfs, Alasdair McAndrew, Alfredo Portes Subject: new hyperdoc changes -- xhtml jenks book Arthur, @@ -19089,16 +18903,10 @@ book-contents.xhtml 21.0 Programs for AXIOM Images
21.1 images1.input
- - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:51:37 -0500 -To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs, - Alasdair McAndrew - Alfredo Portes -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Arthur Ralfs, Alasdair McAndrew, Alfredo Portes Subject: new hyperdoc changes -- Cryptographics Topic Alasdair, @@ -19107,17 +18915,10 @@ Your lab notes have been incorporated into the new hyperdoc under the Topics page. They are trivial to modify if you want changes. We can also trivially add new pages as you develop them. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:58:24 -0500 -To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs, - Alasdair McAndrew - Alfredo Portes -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Arthur Ralfs, Alasdair McAndrew, Alfredo Portes Subject: new hyperdoc changes -- axserver.spad Arthur, @@ -19133,17 +18934,10 @@ The output is much faster with the changes you've made. The next patch release will contain the code you sent me with my modification for contentType. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:05:00 -0500 -To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs, - Alasdair McAndrew - Alfredo Portes -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Arthur Ralfs, Alasdair McAndrew, Alfredo Portes Subject: new hyperdoc changes -- Axiom main line changes Alfredo, @@ -19160,16 +18954,12 @@ I'm about to make this "live" in the main line distribution as soon as I finish fleshing out the old existing hyperdoc pages and figure out how to hook it to the )hd command. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 01:10:25 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Arthur Ralfs Arthur Ralfs Subject: 20071013.01.acr.patch +Cc: Arthur Ralfs This patch allows faster browsing of new hyperdoc web pages ========================================================================= @@ -19618,16 +19408,10 @@ index 9db87f8..6feb283 100644 (defvar |NewLine| '#\NewLine) - - - \start Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:01:40 -0400 From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs - Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:11:58 -0700) - <471223AE.6020704@mathbrane.ca> -Cc: list Subject: Re: new hyperdoc changes -- xhtml jenks book >The original book.pamphlet chapter 20 lacked any content. @@ -19697,19 +19481,10 @@ easier to use the same process so it has the same look and feel. I've added a link to the new hyperdoc pages for it so it is certainly in the queue of things to do. -Tim - - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:14:02 -0400 From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs - Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:11:58 -0700) -Cc: list Subject: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite On another subject... @@ -19743,19 +19518,10 @@ mathml. Given that you're tightly wired into the mathml work do you know of some reasonable editor where I can type an equation or the latex for an equation and generate the mathml? -Tim - - - - \start Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:11:58 -0700 -From: Arthur Ralfs Arthur Ralfs +From: Arthur Ralfs To: Tim Daly -Message-id: <471223AE.6020704@mathbrane.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 - recognized. -Cc: list Subject: Re: new hyperdoc changes -- xhtml jenks book Tim Daly wrote: @@ -19798,16 +19564,10 @@ I can try running bookvol1.pamphlet through my emacs macros and see what happens. In fact I've had this in mind after the Jenks-Sutor book but hadn't gotten around to it. -Arthur - - - - \start Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:04:02 -0400 From: Tim Daly -To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs -Cc: list +To: Arthur Ralfs Subject: html -> xhtml page rename fix Arthur, @@ -19819,16 +19579,12 @@ That change worked. Thanks. I'm doing a rebuild/test cycle with the new change and it should be pushed to silver by the end of the day. -Tim - - - \start Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 14:50:08 -0700 From: Ed Borasky To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite -Cc: list, Arthur Ralfs +Cc: Arthur Ralfs root wrote: > On another subject... @@ -19889,29 +19645,20 @@ sample output. In any event, if you've got any reasonable Linux distro you should be able to install TeXmacs from either the distro repository or the upstream source and try it out. - - \start Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:38:11 -0400 From: Tim Daly To: Ed Borasky Subject: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite - <47128F10.2080406@cesmail.net> -Cc: list, Arthur Ralfs +Cc: Arthur Ralfs Excellent. I'll download the latest TeXmacs and try it. -- Tim - - \start Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:58:20 -0700 From: Arthur Ralfs -Subject: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite To: Tim Daly -Message-id: <4712E55C.8070409@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 - recognized. -Cc: list +Subject: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite root wrote: > On another subject... @@ -19937,18 +19684,12 @@ that ideally the latex to mathml should either happen in Axiom or in the browser. However that's a bit of a project. I haven't used anything else myself. -Arthur - - - \start Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:01:41 -0700 From: Ed Borasky To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite - <47128F10.2080406@cesmail.net> - <200710142238.l9EMcBa32436@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list, Arthur Ralfs +Cc: Arthur Ralfs This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020206060908080404000606 @@ -20381,17 +20122,12 @@ ICA8L3RhYmxlPgogICAgICAgIDwvZGl2PgogICAgICA8L2Rpdj4KICAgIDwvcD4KICA8L2Jv ZHk+CjwvaHRtbD4= --------------020206060908080404000606-- - - \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 01:15:05 -0500 From: Mike Hansen To: Ed Borasky Subject: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite - <47128F10.2080406@cesmail.net> - <200710142238.l9EMcBa32436@localhost.localdomain> - <47130245.9020703@cesmail.net> -Cc: list, Arthur Ralfs +Cc: Arthur Ralfs On a somewhat related note, you might also look into jsMath ( http://www.math.union.edu/~dpvc/jsMath/ ) which is able to display @@ -20399,17 +20135,11 @@ high-quality typeset math in a web browser using LaTeX directly as input. For example, see http://www.math.union.edu/~dpvc/jsMath/examples/Struik.html ---Mike - - - \start +Date: 15 Oct 2007 08:35:13 +0200 +From: Martin Rubey To: Arthur Ralfs Subject: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite - <4712E55C.8070409@shaw.ca> -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 15 Oct 2007 08:35:13 +0200 -Cc: list Arthur Ralfs writes: @@ -20428,14 +20158,9 @@ ps, pdf, html, mathml, jsmath, whatever tex4ht provides). It has the slight disadvantage that it is necessary to have either a very fast computer or to cache the results. I do the latter. -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 01:57:13 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: list Subject: 20071014.01.acr.patch @@ -20464,15 +20189,10 @@ index 791d851..741840f 100644 if null? q then q := MAKE_-STRING_-INPUT_-STREAM("File doesn't exist")$Lisp - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 02:14:29 -0500 -To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs, - Alasdair McAndrew - Alfredo Portes -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Arthur Ralfs, Alasdair McAndrew, Alfredo Portes Subject: new hyperdoc changes I've commited a patch that fixes the ContentType page handling the way @@ -20528,19 +20248,11 @@ in the Cryptography Topic and fully expanded. As usual, send questions. -Tim - - - - \start -To: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, - open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net -From: Francois Maltey Date: 15 Oct 2007 14:48:41 +0200 -Cc: -Subject: How to enumerate a product of lists (or integer - sets) +From: Francois Maltey +To: list +Subject: How to enumerate a product of lists (or integer sets) Hello, @@ -20582,18 +20294,11 @@ L := ['''matrix [[a,b,15-a-b],[c,d,15-c-d],[15-a-c,15-b-d,15-a-d]] Is there an other way with axiom ? -Francois - - - \start -To: Francois Maltey -Subject: Re: How to enumerate a product of lists (or integer - sets) -From: Martin Rubey Date: 15 Oct 2007 15:20:16 +0200 -Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, - fricas-devel@googlegroups.com +From: Martin Rubey +To: Francois Maltey +Subject: Re: How to enumerate a product of lists (or integer sets) Francois Maltey writes: @@ -20645,20 +20350,12 @@ is in my opinion much better to read then [f(L.i, i) for i in 1..#L] - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: How to enumerate a product of lists (or integer - sets) -From: Francois Maltey Date: 15 Oct 2007 16:53:32 +0200 -Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net - +From: Francois Maltey +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: How to enumerate a product of lists (or integer sets) + Many thanks dear Martin ! > L := concat [concat [concat [[[a,b,c,d] _ @@ -20699,19 +20396,11 @@ of cartesian products with $...$... and very view train of for as above. I don't suggest a where operator [f(i,j) for i in 1..10 where j in L] for cartesian product ;-) -Francois - - - \start -To: Francois Maltey -Subject: Re: How to enumerate a product of lists (or integer - sets) - <87ir58xwcz.fsf@nerim.fr> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 15 Oct 2007 17:03:18 +0200 -Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, - fricas-devel +From: Martin Rubey +To: Francois Maltey +Subject: Re: How to enumerate a product of lists (or integer sets) Francois Maltey writes: @@ -20750,26 +20439,11 @@ which really results in the same problem, though. Well, parallel iteration is not found in many languages, it is really a strenght of Axiom/Aldor. -Martin - - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:33:50 -0700 From: Arthur Ralfs -Subject: Re: HyperDoc replacement, was: Re: CATS - Computer - Algebra Test Suite To: Martin Rubey -Message-id: <4713885E.3060200@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <4712E55C.8070409@shaw.ca> <9q8x647un2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <47131175.7070306@shaw.ca> <9q3awcalfo.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <47137B53.4030909@shaw.ca> <9q4pgs8m2h.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - recognized. -Cc: list +Subject: Re: HyperDoc replacement, was: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite Martin Rubey wrote: > Arthur Ralfs writes: @@ -20797,40 +20471,21 @@ nice output in a browser. Although if we can get content mathml out of axiom it may prove more useful, but still not a replacement for latex. -Arthur - - - \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:40:37 -0400 From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey - Rubey on 15 Oct 2007 08:35:13 +0200) Subject: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite - <4712E55C.8070409@shaw.ca> <9q8x647un2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list - -Martin, I found only 1 mention of tex4ht on MathAction. It appears in the summer of code section. Do you have a reference? -Tim - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -Subject: HyperDoc replacement, - was: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite - <4712E55C.8070409@shaw.ca> <9q8x647un2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200710151540.l9FFebW00701@localhost.localdomain> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 15 Oct 2007 17:51:35 +0200 -Cc: list, - open-axiom-devel , - fricas-devel +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly +Subject: HyperDoc replacement, was: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite Tim Daly writes: @@ -20871,22 +20526,11 @@ Again, the only point of my little program was to show that it should be fairly easy to replace the hyperdoc rendering by a browser rendering, while keeping all the other functionality. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:53:59 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Arthur Ralfs -Subject: Re: HyperDoc replacement, was: Re: CATS - Computer - Algebra Test Suite - <9q8x647un2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <47131175.7070306@shaw.ca> - <9q3awcalfo.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <47137B53.4030909@shaw.ca> - <9q4pgs8m2h.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <4713885E.3060200@shaw.ca> -Cc: list +Subject: Re: HyperDoc replacement, was: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite >> I think it is not a good idea to reinvent tex4ht, nor do I think it is a good >> idea to do without LaTeX. @@ -20900,24 +20544,11 @@ Cc: list As far as I know, tex4ht can also produce mathml. I think that I had some problems, though. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:04:08 -0400 From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs - Oct 2007 08:33:50 -0700) -Subject: Re: HyperDoc replacement, was: Re: CATS - Computer - Algebra Test Suite - <4712E55C.8070409@shaw.ca> <9q8x647un2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <47131175.7070306@shaw.ca> <9q3awcalfo.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <47137B53.4030909@shaw.ca> <9q4pgs8m2h.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <4713885E.3060200@shaw.ca> -Cc: list - -Martin, +Subject: Re: HyperDoc replacement, was: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite I followed that link and found your code. @@ -20948,22 +20579,11 @@ non-graphics lisp code disappears from axiom. It would also be nice to do things like save session history so the user could construct a web page with input/output or write it to a file. -Tim - - - \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:21:26 -0400 From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey - Rubey on 15 Oct 2007 17:51:35 +0200) -Subject: Re: HyperDoc replacement, - was: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite - <4712E55C.8070409@shaw.ca> <9q8x647un2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200710151540.l9FFebW00701@localhost.localdomain> - <9qwstowf3s.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, - open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net +Subject: Re: HyperDoc replacement, was: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite Thanks for the TeX4ht link. @@ -20985,23 +20605,11 @@ I had an off-list discussion over the weekend about creating a domain that does drawing into flash format which would allow "video" kinds of output (e.g. evolving surfaces) from Axiom to be displayed in firefox. -Tim - - - - \start -To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: HyperDoc replacement, - was: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite - <4712E55C.8070409@shaw.ca> <9q8x647un2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <47131175.7070306@shaw.ca> <9q3awcalfo.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <47137B53.4030909@shaw.ca> <9q4pgs8m2h.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <4713885E.3060200@shaw.ca> - <200710151604.l9FG48800728@localhost.localdomain> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 15 Oct 2007 21:06:45 +0200 -Cc: fricas-devel , list +From: Martin Rubey +To: Tim Daly +Subject: Re: HyperDoc replacement, was: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite Tim Daly writes: @@ -21012,25 +20620,11 @@ Tim Daly writes: Eh, but that's exactly what my package does!? Did you look at it? Did you try it? -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:16:23 -0400 From: Tim Daly To: Martin Rubey - Rubey on 15 Oct 2007 21:06:45 +0200) -Subject: Re: HyperDoc replacement, - was: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite - <4712E55C.8070409@shaw.ca> <9q8x647un2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <47131175.7070306@shaw.ca> <9q3awcalfo.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <47137B53.4030909@shaw.ca> <9q4pgs8m2h.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <4713885E.3060200@shaw.ca> - <200710151604.l9FG48800728@localhost.localdomain> - <9q8x64fb96.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com +Subject: Re: HyperDoc replacement, was: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite >> I know we're going to need the output from system commands such as: >> )show Polynomial(Fraction(Integer)) @@ -21042,22 +20636,12 @@ Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com Not yet. I downloaded it but I'm working at my real job at the moment. I'll look at it later this evening. -Tim - - - \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:14:14 -0700 From: Arthur Ralfs To: Alfredo Portes, Tim Daly -Message-id: <47141066.2080203@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 - recognized. -Cc: list Subject: axserver console interaction -Alfredo, Tim, - I've posted some changes to axserver on doyen to test a different method of console interaction. The method of showing/hiding branches is a little clunky but gives the idea @@ -21067,15 +20651,10 @@ I'd like myself (unless someone comes up with something I like better) but it would be easy to let users choose from more than one method. -Arthur - - - \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:28:16 -0400 From: Alfredo Portes To: Arthur Ralfs -Cc: list Subject: Re: axserver console interaction Hi Arthur, @@ -21101,21 +20680,11 @@ On 10/15/07, Arthur Ralfs wrote: > I'd like myself (unless someone comes up with something > I like better) but it would be easy to let users choose from more > than one method. -> -> Arthur -> - - \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:14:25 -0700 From: Arthur Ralfs To: Alfredo Portes -Message-id: <47141E81.6060904@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 - - recognized. -Cc: list Subject: Re: axserver console interaction Alfredo, @@ -21171,29 +20740,12 @@ Alfredo Portes wrote: >> I'd like myself (unless someone comes up with something >> I like better) but it would be easy to let users choose from more >> than one method. ->> ->> Arthur ->> ->> -> -> - - - \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:33:27 -0700 From: Arthur Ralfs -Subject: Re: HyperDoc replacement, was: Re: CATS - Computer - Algebra Test Suite To: Martin Rubey -Message-id: <471422F7.6040806@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <4712E55C.8070409@shaw.ca> <9q8x647un2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200710151540.l9FFebW00701@localhost.localdomain> - <9qwstowf3s.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - recognized. -Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com +Subject: Re: HyperDoc replacement, was: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite Martin, @@ -21268,24 +20820,12 @@ Martin Rubey wrote: > Again, the only point of my little program was to show that it should be fairly > easy to replace the hyperdoc rendering by a browser rendering, while keeping > all the other functionality. -> -> Martin -> -> -> - - - \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:44:11 -0400 From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs - Oct 2007 19:14:25 -0700) Subject: re: axserver console interaction - - <47141E81.6060904@shaw.ca> -Cc: list >Alfredo, > @@ -21321,19 +20861,10 @@ I'm working on an example of the "free" mechanism from the old hyperdoc. I'm trying to craft a generic solution to the problem so we just need to embed the single javascript function. -Tim - - - - - \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:46:20 -0700 From: Alfredo Portes To: Arthur Ralfs - - <47141E81.6060904@shaw.ca> -Cc: list Subject: Re: axserver console interaction Hi Arthur, @@ -21374,23 +20905,11 @@ If you want to play with it: svn co https://alfredoportes.com/svn/jaxiom/trunk jyperdoc :-) -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:56:33 -0400 From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs - Oct 2007 19:33:27 -0700) -Subject: Re: HyperDoc replacement, was: Re: CATS - Computer - Algebra Test Suite - <4712E55C.8070409@shaw.ca> <9q8x647un2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200710151540.l9FFebW00701@localhost.localdomain> - <9qwstowf3s.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <471422F7.6040806@shaw.ca> -Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, list +Subject: Re: HyperDoc replacement, was: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite >Arthur wrote: >I took a look at the tex4ht package. Maybe I should tell you @@ -21458,39 +20977,22 @@ can execute other functions in the domain. This would solve the problem, which Martin's code solves, of doing things like calling lisp functions for database lookup. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:12:50 -0400 From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs - root on Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:30:47 -0400) - <4713C2B6.1010900@shaw.ca> - - - <200710152030.l9FKUlJ00933@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list, Constantine Frangos Subject: Re: Hyperlinks +Cc: Constantine Frangos >> Tim Daly writes: >> I need to understand this problem and the Suse problem in gcl >> so I can give Camm some patches. ->> ->> Tim ->> ->> ->Tim, -> Arthur Ralfs writes: >What problem are you having on Suse? That's what I use. > >Arthur - Arthur, I've attached some of the correspondence with C. Frangos. @@ -21508,11 +21010,6 @@ Do these make sense to you? Do you have the same problem? If you have a clue perhaps I can make a suse stanza to fix it. -Tim - - - - ================================================================== There were two responses to your email re. the problem I have with the axiom installation (see below). @@ -21522,42 +21019,21 @@ done. Any assistance would be much appreciated. -Thanks very much. - -Regards, - -C. Frangos. - - - > > > >BOOT>(compile 'foo) > >cc1: error: /root/axiom/mnt/fedora5/bin/../h: Permission denied > > +I belive this is the same problem as discussed in the thread starting at: +http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2007-02/msg00186.html -I belive this is the same problem as discussed in the thread starting = -at: - -http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/axiom-developer/2007-02/msg00186.htm= -l - -It not easy to decide whom to blame (and which programs should be = -fixed). +It not easy to decide whom to blame (and which programs should be fixed). In wh-sandbox I worked around the problem by making sure that for user compiler::*default-system-p* is set to nil (it _must_ be set to t during build). ---=20 - Waldek Hebisch - - - - - - Greetings! Turning off si::*default-system-p* as Waldek said works, but does so @@ -21581,7 +21057,7 @@ si::reset-sys-paths to help with this: (setq si::*load-path* nl)) nil) -i.e.=20 +i.e. >(si::reset-sys-paths "/new/location/gcl-install/") >(si::save-system "foo") @@ -21592,7 +21068,7 @@ mv foo /new/location/gcl-install/unixport/ GCL's make install is supposed to do this, but if the axiom build is moving gcl images around by hand, this needs to be invoked at some -point.=20 +point. Bob Boyer once convinced me that autoloading and other dependence on runtime files to be found in particular locations was a really bad @@ -21608,58 +21084,49 @@ Take care, Tim Daly writes: > Camm, ->=20 +> > GCL seems to have built on Suse 10.2 and the system command works. > The GCC compiler appears to be in the path. Yet it appears that > GCL cannot execute it. CC1 seems to be looking in the wrong place > for the .h files. Do you have any insight into this? ->=20 +> > Tim ->=20 +> > From: "C. Frangos" Constantine Frangos > Subject: Re: Installing axiom on suse linux 10.2 > To: Tim Daly > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:00:10 +0200 > Reply-To: Constantine Frangos ->=20 ->=20 -> I tried the instructions and it seems that the )sys command is=20 +> +> +> I tried the instructions and it seems that the )sys command is > working. ->=20 +> > I use this command to delete foo1, and call gcc in order to compile = -one of=20 +one of -my=20 +my > C programs located in another directory (see below). ->=20 +> > It seems that gcc is on the path, but I dont recall the linux command = -to=20 +to > explicitly check this. ->=20 +> > Regards, ->=20 +> > C. Frangos. ->=20 ->=20 -> (1) -> )sys rm /home/cfrangos/temp/foo1 =20 +> +> +> (1) -> )sys rm /home/cfrangos/temp/foo1 > (1) -> )sys gcc -o test1 /home/cfrangos/src/agvs1.c -lm -O3 -> (1) ->=20 ->=20 - - - - +> (1) -> +> \start -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com - <4712E55C.8070409@shaw.ca> <9q8x647un2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200710151540.l9FFebW00701@localhost.localdomain> - <9qwstowf3s.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <471422F7.6040806@shaw.ca> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 16 Oct 2007 08:23:23 +0200 -Cc: list, - open-axiom-devel -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: HyperDoc replacement +From: Martin Rubey +To: +Subject: Re: Re: HyperDoc replacement Arthur Ralfs writes: @@ -21670,20 +21137,11 @@ Arthur Ralfs writes: I think that would not be a problem. But in what sense and why do you think that tex4ht is "hard to install"? -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:48:51 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Eitan Gurari -Subject: Re: HyperDoc replacement, was: Re: CATS - Computer - Algebra Test Suite - <9q8x647un2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <200710151540.l9FFebW00701@localhost.localdomain> <9qwstowf3s.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <471422F7.6040806@shaw.ca> -Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, list +Subject: Re: HyperDoc replacement, was: Re: CATS - Computer Algebra Test Suite Dear Eitan, @@ -21722,19 +21180,11 @@ On 10/16/2007 04:33 AM, Arthur Ralfs wrote: > I am not against other approaches. The more the merrier. > But for now I am only interested in the above. - - \start -To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <9qlka39ooe.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <4714BEFD.7060004@hemmecke.de> - <87fy0b9kuk.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 16 Oct 2007 16:47:06 +0200 -Cc: axiom-devel , - open-axiom-devel , - fricas-devel -Subject: Re: [open-axiom-devel] [Axiom-mail] A little - print problem +From: Martin Rubey +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] A little print problem Gabriel Dos Reis writes: @@ -21748,24 +21198,11 @@ Gabriel Dos Reis writes: wh-sandbox does not have this problem, it seems. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 07:54:28 -0700 From: Arthur Ralfs -Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Re: HyperDoc replacement To: Martin Rubey -Message-id: <4714D0A4.9000409@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <4712E55C.8070409@shaw.ca> <9q8x647un2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200710151540.l9FFebW00701@localhost.localdomain> - <9qwstowf3s.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <471422F7.6040806@shaw.ca> - <9qprzfinms.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - recognized. -Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com +Subject: re: Re: HyperDoc replacement Martin Rubey wrote: > Arthur Ralfs writes: @@ -21789,22 +21226,12 @@ to some precompiled systems but no directions for a general from scratch build. It looks like an interesting project though. Do you think you can get it working as part of an axiom build? -Arthur - - - \start -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] re: [fricas-devel] Re: - HyperDoc replacement - <4712E55C.8070409@shaw.ca> <9q8x647un2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200710151540.l9FFebW00701@localhost.localdomain> - <9qwstowf3s.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <471422F7.6040806@shaw.ca> - <9qprzfinms.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <4714D0A4.9000409@shaw.ca> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 16 Oct 2007 17:17:40 +0200 -Cc: Eitan Gurari, list, - open-axiom-devel +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: Re: re: Re: HyperDoc replacement +Cc: Eitan Gurari Arthur Ralfs writes: @@ -21826,25 +21253,12 @@ No. I'm a mathematician ;-) But since tex4ht's status on ctan.org is "maintained", I'd trust that people in the know should get it working. Maybe Eitan would help, if necessary. -Martin - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:25:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] re: [fricas-devel] Re: - HyperDoc replacement - <4712E55C.8070409@shaw.ca> <9q8x647un2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200710151540.l9FFebW00701@localhost.localdomain> - <9qwstowf3s.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <471422F7.6040806@shaw.ca> - <9qprzfinms.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <4714D0A4.9000409@shaw.ca> - <9qsl4bozqj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: Eitan Gurari, list, - open-axiom-devel +To: +Subject: Re: re: Re: HyperDoc replacement +Cc: Eitan Gurari On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -21855,26 +21269,11 @@ On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Martin Rubey wrote: So, those working to get the system built and running are not mathematicians? --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Eitan Gurari Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:34:18 -0400 +From: Eitan Gurari To: Martin Rubey -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] re: [fricas-devel] Re: - HyperDoc replacement - <4712E55C.8070409@shaw.ca> <9q8x647un2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200710151540.l9FFebW00701@localhost.localdomain> - <9qwstowf3s.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <471422F7.6040806@shaw.ca> - <9qprzfinms.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <4714D0A4.9000409@shaw.ca> <9qsl4bozqj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, - open-axiom-devel , - list - +Subject: Re: re: Re: HyperDoc replacement > > Looking at the home page I saw directions for updating and a link > > to some precompiled systems but no directions for a general @@ -21895,27 +21294,12 @@ are provided for building the system from scratch. I'll be glad to help with specific questions. --eitan - - - - \start Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:52:55 -0700 From: Arthur Ralfs -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] re: [fricas-devel] Re: - HyperDoc replacement To: Martin Rubey -Message-id: <47159527.9070508@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <4712E55C.8070409@shaw.ca> <9q8x647un2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200710151540.l9FFebW00701@localhost.localdomain> - <9qwstowf3s.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <471422F7.6040806@shaw.ca> - <9qprzfinms.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <4714D0A4.9000409@shaw.ca> - <9qsl4bozqj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - recognized. -Cc: Eitan Gurari, list, - open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com +Subject: Re: re: Re: HyperDoc replacement +Cc: Eitan Gurari Martin Rubey wrote: > Arthur Ralfs writes: @@ -21942,26 +21326,11 @@ not immediately obvious. I would have to really really want to use tex4ht to bother with it. All I want to do is test out some latex to mathml conversions. Maybe you could do that for me and post the results? -Arthur - - - \start Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:07:37 -0700 From: Arthur Ralfs -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] re: [fricas-devel] Re: - HyperDoc replacement To: Eitan Gurari -Message-id: <4715A6A9.30308@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <4712E55C.8070409@shaw.ca> <9q8x647un2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <200710151540.l9FFebW00701@localhost.localdomain> - <9qwstowf3s.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <471422F7.6040806@shaw.ca> - <9qprzfinms.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <4714D0A4.9000409@shaw.ca> - <9qsl4bozqj.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <47159527.9070508@shaw.ca> - <18197.39220.826605.46941@xi.cse.ohio-state.edu> - recognized. -Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com +Subject: Re: re: Re: HyperDoc replacement Eitan Gurari wrote: > > tex4ht to bother with it. All I want to do is test out some latex to mathml @@ -21986,20 +21355,12 @@ axiom build. I don't know at this point who might be up for doing that, or if it would be acceptable to the maintainers of the various axiom forks. -Arthur - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 02:23:42 -0500 -To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs, - Alfredo Portes -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Arthur Ralfs, Alfredo Portes Subject: newhyper.pamphlet -Arthur, - I've rewritten newhyper.pamphlet to use the new output format from axserver.spad. Now the basic command pages show the input command as well as the output exactly as before. But the new pages, like @@ -22009,18 +21370,12 @@ I still have to build and test a release of Axiom that has the new axserver.spad and http.lisp but once it builds and passes tests I'll post the new hyperdoc pages. -Tim - - - \start Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:43:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Franz Lehner To: list Subject: hashing -Hello, - since hashing and remember tables came up recently, I have a question how it works. )set fun cache @@ -22069,18 +21424,10 @@ This leads to my questions: However hash returns 0 anyways for most domains I tried. 3. How do I make my key domains hashable? -best regards, -Franz - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:55:36 -0500 -To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs, - Alfredo Portes -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Arthur Ralfs, Alfredo Portes Subject: 20071020.01.acr.patch This patch changes the AJAX communication to use the new return values @@ -22387,18 +21734,10 @@ index 6feb283..0b264bf 100644 (defun |SiAccept| (s) (si::accept s)) (defun |SiCopyStream| (q s) (si::copy-stream q s)) -+ -+ - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:15:33 -0500 -To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs, - Alfredo Portes, - Alasdair McAndrew -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Arthur Ralfs, Alfredo Portes, Alasdair McAndrew Subject: new hyperdoc Arthur, Alfredo, Alasdair, @@ -22465,20 +21804,11 @@ See the chunk <> to see how this works. With these pieces in place I can proceed to convert a large number of the existing hyperdoc pages in the upcoming weeks. -Tim - - - - - \start -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, - open-axiom-devel , - axiom-devel -From: Martin Rubey Date: 21 Oct 2007 16:16:20 +0200 -Cc: -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: iterators +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: Re: Re: iterators Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -22509,20 +21839,11 @@ didn't read it yet. Maybe that would help? SPAD. Most important to me would still be types being truly first class objects.) -Martin - - - - \start Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:22:04 -0700 From: Arthur Ralfs -Subject: Re: new hyperdoc To: Tim Daly -Message-id: <471B6E9C.7070105@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 - recognized. -Cc: list +Subject: Re: new hyperdoc Tim Daly wrote: > (Arthur, I should note that axserver can construct an improper reply @@ -22536,17 +21857,10 @@ Tim, Can you give an example of when that occurs? -Arthur - - - \start -To: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - fricas-devel@googlegroups.com - <9qzlyca6yz.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Francois Maltey Date: 21 Oct 2007 20:20:54 +0200 -Cc: +From: Francois Maltey +To: list Subject: Re: iterators and cartesian product. Hello, I have subscribed to the two lists open-axiom and fricas. @@ -22610,20 +21924,11 @@ because they must exist (do you agree ?), I wait with Martin such operators. -F. - - - \start Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:48:25 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke -To: Martin Rubey, - Stephen Watt, aldor-l - <9qzlyca6yz.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-devel , fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, - open-axiom-devel -Subject: Re: [open-axiom-devel] [fricas-devel] Re: - iterators +To: Martin Rubey, Stephen Watt +Subject: Re: Re: iterators > OK. I'd still prefer to keep the language simple. What I would like a lot > however is something like @@ -22650,19 +21955,11 @@ Stephen Watt, is there a particular reason why the latter construction is not allowed in the Aldor language (I am not speaking of the compiler)? -Ralf - - - \start Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:11:21 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Francois Maltey - <87myucgwhl.fsf_-_@nerim.fr> -Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, - open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net -Subject: Re: [open-axiom-devel] iterators and cartesian - product. +Subject: Re: iterators and cartesian product. > It's maybe impossible to have parenthesis for cross-product, > because they are used for functions, @@ -22733,21 +22030,12 @@ And it already works in Axiom. (10) 7 Type: Integer -Ralf - - - \start Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:28:09 -0400 From: Stephen Watt To: Ralf Hemmecke - <9qzlyca6yz.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <471BAD09.2090509@hemmecke.de> -Cc: Stephen Watt , fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, - aldor-l , axiom-devel , - open-axiom-devel -Subject: Re: [open-axiom-devel] [fricas-devel] Re: - iterators +Subject: Re: Re: iterators +Cc: Stephen Watt There is no deep reason why it is not allowed. It would be a compatible extension to allow it. @@ -22779,19 +22067,12 @@ On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 09:48:25PM +0200, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > > is there a particular reason why the latter construction is not allowed > in the Aldor language (I am not speaking of the compiler)? -> -> Ralf - - \start -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com - <9qzlyca6yz.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87myucgwhl.fsf_-_@nerim.fr> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 Oct 2007 08:43:18 +0200 -Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: iterators and cartesian - product. +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: Re: Re: iterators and cartesian product. Francois Maltey writes: @@ -22803,20 +22084,10 @@ Francois Maltey writes: So, how do you do parallel iteration in MuPad? - - -Martin - - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 02:30:32 -0500 -To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs, - Alfredo Portes -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Arthur Ralfs, Alfredo Portes Subject: newhyper.pamphlet I've expanded the next level of the "Topics -> Numbers" page. @@ -22843,39 +22114,16 @@ firefox http://127.0.0.1:8085/home/silver/rootpage.xhtml The top 6 pages of Topics -> Numbers have been expanded. -Tim - - - \start -To: Robert Funnell -Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help - - - <9qabqgbg0o.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9q7iljzfjo.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9q8x5y99bt.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qve922e6i.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qmyudly86.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qprz9ycmu.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 Oct 2007 09:38:44 +0200 -Posted-To: gnu.emacs.help -Cc: axiom-devel , - open-axiom-devel , - fricas-devel +From: Martin Rubey +To: Robert Funnell Subject: keybindings for axiom-mode The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to gnu.emacs.help as well. -Robert Funnell writes: +Robert Funnell writes: > > Since I'm not so familiar with escape sequences, could you tell me what > > keystrokes correspond to "C-[ up"? @@ -22938,22 +22186,11 @@ which is axiom-copy-to-clipboard, is called with the integer argument 7. Thus, it would copy the previous seven input-output combinations into the kill-ring. I find this extremely useful if I want to communicate what I did in axiom... - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Martin Rubey - <9qzlyca6yz.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87myucgwhl.fsf_-_@nerim.fr> - <9qk5pfr6nt.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Francois Maltey Date: 22 Oct 2007 11:30:05 +0200 -Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - list -Subject: Re: [open-axiom-devel] [fricas-devel] Re: - iterators and cartesian product. +From: Francois Maltey +To: Martin Rubey +Subject: Re: Re: iterators and cartesian product. Hello Martin, @@ -22995,20 +22232,11 @@ For theses 2 examples I feel mupad better than maple. I don't know mathematica. Is it an answer to your question ? -Francois - - - \start -To: Francois Maltey - <9qzlyca6yz.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87myucgwhl.fsf_-_@nerim.fr> - <9qk5pfr6nt.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <871wbnlco2.fsf@nerim.fr> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 Oct 2007 11:54:11 +0200 -Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - list -Subject: Re: [open-axiom-devel] [fricas-devel] Re: - iterators and cartesian product. +From: Martin Rubey +To: Francois Maltey +Subject: Re: Re: iterators and cartesian product. Francois Maltey writes: @@ -23094,22 +22322,11 @@ In fact, it nearly works: Hm, I do not understand this sentence at all. Which command breaks what? - -Martin - - - - \start -To: Francois Maltey -Subject: re: [open-axiom-devel] [fricas-devel] Re: - iterators and cartesian product. - <9qzlyca6yz.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87myucgwhl.fsf_-_@nerim.fr> - <9qk5pfr6nt.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <871wbnlco2.fsf@nerim.fr> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 22 Oct 2007 05:30:25 -0500 -Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - fricas-devel@googlegroups.com +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Francois Maltey +Subject: Re: iterators and cartesian product. Francois Maltey writes: @@ -23145,18 +22362,10 @@ are things that work well for `programming in small' (e.g. scripts of 10-20 lines) and things do not scale to `programming in large' (e.g. 10-100 thousands of lines of libraries) --- Gaby - - - \start -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, list, - open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net - <9qzlyca6yz.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87myucgwhl.fsf_-_@nerim.fr> - <471BB269.3010107@hemmecke.de> -From: Francois Maltey Date: 22 Oct 2007 12:54:11 +0200 -Cc: +From: Francois Maltey +To: list Subject: Re: iterators and cartesian product. I play with Tuple : @@ -23210,18 +22419,10 @@ with standard operators and take the better of these two domains. 4/ Tuple aren't strong typed : tuple any isn't a cartesianProduct(Integer,String) - - - \start -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, list, - open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net - <9qzlyca6yz.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87myucgwhl.fsf_-_@nerim.fr> - <9qk5pfr6nt.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <871wbnlco2.fsf@nerim.fr> - <9qejfn5vb0.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Francois Maltey Date: 22 Oct 2007 13:16:32 +0200 -Cc: +From: Francois Maltey +To: list Subject: Re: iterators and cartesian product. Hello, @@ -23285,19 +22486,11 @@ but is exactly the mathematic form of a Cartesian product. It seems better. -F. - - - \start -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com - <9qzlyca6yz.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87myucgwhl.fsf_-_@nerim.fr> - <471BB269.3010107@hemmecke.de> <87wstfju7g.fsf_-_@nerim.fr> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 Oct 2007 13:19:43 +0200 -Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: iterators and cartesian - product. +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: Re: Re: iterators and cartesian product. Francois Maltey writes: @@ -23326,21 +22519,11 @@ project, in a very general setting. Unfortunately, the multisort case is not yet finished, which is probably what you would need to get Cartesian products "beautifully". -Martin - - - - \start -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com - <9qzlyca6yz.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87myucgwhl.fsf_-_@nerim.fr> - <9qk5pfr6nt.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <871wbnlco2.fsf@nerim.fr> - <9qejfn5vb0.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87fy03jt67.fsf_-_@nerim.fr> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 22 Oct 2007 13:40:26 +0200 -Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: iterators and cartesian - product. +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: Re: Re: iterators and cartesian product. Francois Maltey writes: @@ -23372,19 +22555,10 @@ is the same as Union_{(a,b,c)\in A x B x C} F_{a,b,c} - -Martin - - - - \start -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, Peter Broadbery, - axiom-devel , - open-axiom-devel -From: Martin Rubey Date: 23 Oct 2007 08:36:16 +0200 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Peter Broadbery Subject: tracing and profiling Waldek Hebisch writes: @@ -23534,20 +22708,11 @@ Martin Integer.zero?,25 : 0 times *1;tst;1;frame0 : 21891 times - - - - \start Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:49:06 +0200 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Gabriel Dos Reis -Subject: Re: [open-axiom-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] - Re: iterators and cartesian product. - <87myucgwhl.fsf_-_@nerim.fr> <9qk5pfr6nt.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <871wbnlco2.fsf@nerim.fr> <871wbnzbjy.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - fricas-devel@googlegroups.com +Subject: iterators and cartesian product. > | It looks like mathematical expression {matrix ... | (a,b,c,d) in {1..9}^4}. @@ -23584,22 +22749,11 @@ provide the code.) So the syntax is there only the functionality is not available in any library. One has to program it oneself. -Ralf - - - - - \start -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com - <9qzlyca6yz.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <87myucgwhl.fsf_-_@nerim.fr> - <9qk5pfr6nt.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <871wbnlco2.fsf@nerim.fr> - <9qejfn5vb0.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 24 Oct 2007 08:33:57 +0200 -Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [open-axiom-devel] - [fricas-devel] Re: iterators and cartesian product. +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: Re: iterators and cartesian product. Since there seems to be a slight misunderstanding, which I probably caused by an upper case letter: I meant to write @@ -23612,16 +22766,10 @@ an upper case letter: I meant to write That is, I thought of cartesianProduct as a function. -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:58:52 -0500 +From: Tim Daly To: Alasdair McAndrew -Cc: list Subject: wxAxiom wxAxiom exists as a private branch in my local git tree @@ -23638,58 +22786,23 @@ work and I'm building on that. Things will be slow for a while as I have a family crisis which is taking up most of my time and attention. -Tim - - - - - \start Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:47:53 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page - <87tzojxjqm.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - - - - - - <47279AFF.5010202@hemmecke.de> - - <47289E1F.80509@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - -Cc: axiom-dev , fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, - axiom-math@nongnu.org, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net -Subject: Re: [open-axiom-devel] [fricas-devel] Re: - [fricas-devel] Re: iterators and cartesian product. +Subject: Re: iterators and cartesian product. > Yes exactly, although I am not sure why we need both Cross and Record. Elements of Record are mutable, elements of Cross are not. -Ralf - PS: Shouldn't this discussion go to axiom-developer instead of axiom-math? - - \start Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:16:32 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Ralf Hemmecke - - - - - <47279AFF.5010202@hemmecke.de> - - <47289E1F.80509@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - - <4728B1B9.807@hemmecke.de> -Cc: axiom-dev , fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, - axiom-math@nongnu.org, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net -Subject: Re: [open-axiom-devel] [fricas-devel] Re: - [fricas-devel] Re: iterators and cartesian product. +Subject: Re: iterators and cartesian product. On 10/31/07, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: > > Yes exactly, although I am not sure why we need both Cross and Record. @@ -23718,30 +22831,11 @@ and about category theory in Axiom/Aldor. But I have to admit that the profusion of email lists about Axiom, it's forks and Aldor is confusing to me and probably to our collective disadvantage. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:58:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com - - - - - <47279AFF.5010202@hemmecke.de> - - <47289E1F.80509@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - - <4728B1B9.807@hemmecke.de> - -Cc: open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - axiom-dev , axiom-math@nongnu.org -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [open-axiom-devel] - [fricas-devel] Re: - [fricas-devel] Re: iterators and cartesian product. +To: list +Subject: Re: iterators and cartesian product. On Wed, 31 Oct 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -23751,28 +22845,11 @@ On Wed, 31 Oct 2007, Bill Page wrote: Haskell has imperative skin -- check out `monad'. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:39:29 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com - - - <47279AFF.5010202@hemmecke.de> - - <47289E1F.80509@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - - <4728B1B9.807@hemmecke.de> - - -Cc: open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - axiom-dev , axiom-math@nongnu.org -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [open-axiom-devel] - [fricas-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: iterators and cartesian - product. +To: list +Subject: Re: iterators and cartesian product. On 10/31/07, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -23799,30 +22876,11 @@ interesting to consider implementing something akin to monads in Aldor/SPAD, but I think you will agree that fundamentally these languages were not designed to be purely functional. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:11:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com - - - <47279AFF.5010202@hemmecke.de> - - <47289E1F.80509@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - - <4728B1B9.807@hemmecke.de> - - - -Cc: open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - axiom-dev , axiom-math@nongnu.org -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [open-axiom-devel] - [fricas-devel] Re: - [fricas-devel] Re: iterators and cartesian product. +To: list +Subject: Re: iterators and cartesian product. On Wed, 31 Oct 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -23868,28 +22926,11 @@ I would prefer a more powerful effect system for OpenAxiom. I do not see `purely functional' as as necessity. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:42:14 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com - <47279AFF.5010202@hemmecke.de> - - <47289E1F.80509@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - - <4728B1B9.807@hemmecke.de> - - - - -Cc: open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - axiom-dev , axiom-math@nongnu.org -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [open-axiom-devel] - [fricas-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: iterators and cartesian - product. +To: list +Subject: Re: iterators and cartesian product. On 10/31/07, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -23955,30 +22996,11 @@ I am sorry. I don't mean to sound rude, but I just don't understand where your comments lead. Could you say something more about what you are considering for implemention in OpenAxiom? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:55:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com - <47279AFF.5010202@hemmecke.de> - - <47289E1F.80509@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - - <4728B1B9.807@hemmecke.de> - - - - - -Cc: open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - axiom-dev , axiom-math@nongnu.org -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [open-axiom-devel] - [fricas-devel] Re: - [fricas-devel] Re: iterators and cartesian product. +To: list +Subject: Re: iterators and cartesian product. On Wed, 31 Oct 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -24037,28 +23059,11 @@ domain are purely functional -- therefore the caching implementation technique is sound for them -- and which have effects, therefore should not be cached. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:29:45 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com - <47289E1F.80509@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - - <4728B1B9.807@hemmecke.de> - - - - - - -Cc: open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - axiom-dev , axiom-math@nongnu.org -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [open-axiom-devel] - [fricas-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: iterators and cartesian - product. +To: list +Subject: Re: iterators and cartesian product. On 10/31/07, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -24163,30 +23168,11 @@ comment further. I think that is a very worthwhile goal. Thanks for explaining. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:54:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com - <47289E1F.80509@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - - <4728B1B9.807@hemmecke.de> - - - - - - - -Cc: open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - axiom-dev , axiom-math@nongnu.org -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [open-axiom-devel] - [fricas-devel] Re: - [fricas-devel] Re: iterators and cartesian product. +To: list +Subject: Re: iterators and cartesian product. On Wed, 31 Oct 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -24241,29 +23227,11 @@ http://research.microsoft.com/~simonpj/papers/haskell-retrospective/HaskellRetro skip to page 40. - --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:13:43 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com - <4728B1B9.807@hemmecke.de> - - - - - - - - -Cc: open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - axiom-dev , axiom-math@nongnu.org -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [open-axiom-devel] - [fricas-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: iterators and cartesian - product. +To: list +Subject: Re: iterators and cartesian product. On 10/31/07, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -24310,30 +23278,11 @@ Oh yah, I remember that. I suppose we could use that name for monad in Axiom: ... ;-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:16:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com - <4728B1B9.807@hemmecke.de> - - - - - - - - - -Cc: open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - axiom-dev , axiom-math@nongnu.org -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [open-axiom-devel] - [fricas-devel] Re: - [fricas-devel] Re: iterators and cartesian product. +To: list +Subject: Re: iterators and cartesian product. On Wed, 31 Oct 2007, Bill Page wrote: diff --git a/book/2007-11.txt b/book/2007-11.txt index f084561..5d47bf8 100644 --- a/book/2007-11.txt +++ b/book/2007-11.txt @@ -1,21 +1,8 @@ \start Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 00:16:43 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com - - - - - - - - - -Cc: open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - axiom-dev , axiom-math@nongnu.org -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [open-axiom-devel] - [fricas-devel] Re: [fricas-devel] Re: iterators and cartesian - product. +To: list +Subject: Re: iterators and cartesian product. On 10/31/07, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -67,19 +54,12 @@ Sorry, I don't understand that at all. Maybe this discussion is best saved for another time after I have had more time to think about how to do these things in Axiom. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 01:49:22 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: list, - open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com -Cc: William Stein, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, - Axiom-Mail +To: list Subject: Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving +Cc: William Stein Dear Axiom Users and Developers; @@ -192,20 +172,12 @@ more time but this should be completed in the new few days. And as usual, if you have any questions, comments, suggestions or criticisms I would be glad to hear them. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com -From: Martin Rubey Date: 01 Nov 2007 07:21:57 +0100 -Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, William Stein, - list, - open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Axiom-Mail -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Axiom Wiki and Portal are - moving +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving +Cc: William Stein Dear Bill, @@ -250,32 +222,10 @@ in source, it is a must (if possible) to keep the database numbering as is. Do you know already whether transferring is a fundamental problem? - -Many thanks again and good luck, - - -Martin - - - - \start -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com - - - - - <47279AFF.5010202@hemmecke.de> - - <47289E1F.80509@risc.uni-linz.ac.at> - - <4728B1B9.807@hemmecke.de> - - -From: Francois Maltey Date: 01 Nov 2007 09:31:46 +0100 -Cc: open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - axiom-dev , axiom-math@nongnu.org +From: Francois Maltey +To: list Subject: About mutable and functions. I like this discuss about mutable variables. @@ -333,29 +283,11 @@ But list becomes mutable with L.3 := 33. This assign command is too easy. A setelt! (L, 3, 33) doesn't hide the same difficult. -Francois. - - - \start Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:50:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com - - - - - - - - - - -Cc: open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - axiom-dev , axiom-math@nongnu.org -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: [open-axiom-devel] - [fricas-devel] Re: - [fricas-devel] Re: iterators and cartesian product. +To: list +Subject: Re: iterators and cartesian product. On Thu, 1 Nov 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -384,21 +316,11 @@ explanations, I can point you there. Wadler's paper is one of the simplest explanations. Or, you can go directly read Moggi's paper. If you still disagree, then, let stop it at there. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:36:52 -0700 -From: Arthur Ralfs Arthur Ralfs +From: Arthur Ralfs To: Constantine Frangos -Message-id: <4728E764.20400@mathbrane.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <07103121044602.09891@zeta> - recognized. -Cc: list -Subject: Re: [Axiom-math] Axiom: Errors on suse 10.2, - 32 bit +Subject: Re: [Axiom-math] Axiom: Errors on suse 10.2, 32 bit Constantine, @@ -568,22 +490,13 @@ Constantine Frangos wrote: >> b7f70000-b7f8b000 r-xp 00000000 08:05 2019173 /lib/ld-2.5.so >> b7f8b000-b7f8d000 rw-p 0001a000 08:05 2019173 /lib/ld-2.5.so >> bfc9d000-bfcb4000 rw-p bfc9d000 00:00 0 [stack] ->> -> -> - - - \start Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:07:09 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey - <9qzlxypjsq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, - open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are - moving +Cc: list +Subject: Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving Martin, @@ -719,21 +632,11 @@ enabled at the axiom-developer.org site but not yet at the newsynthesis site. I will try this as soon as I get a bit more serious time to spend on it (this weekend). -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:13:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com - <9qzlxypjsq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - -Cc: list, - open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are - moving +To: list +Subject: Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving On Thu, 1 Nov 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -754,21 +657,11 @@ means implies 'non-cooperation' -- but I cannot prevent determined people to construe it that way. We can definitely work out two-way communication channels between the tracker if that is possible. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:30:52 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <9qzlxypjsq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - -Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, - list -Subject: Re: [open-axiom-devel] [fricas-devel] Re: Axiom - Wiki and Portal are moving +Subject: Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving On 11/1/07, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > On Thu, 1 Nov 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -816,20 +709,12 @@ filtered and added to a specific web page on the Axiom wiki. Perhaps a similar link could be implemented in the other direction since I think it is possible to submit issues to SourceForge via email, right? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: Bill Page -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 01 Nov 2007 12:54:00 -0500 -Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, - William Stein, - list, - open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Axiom-Mail +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Bill Page Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving +Cc: William Stein Bill Page writes: @@ -845,20 +730,12 @@ Bill Page writes: What will happen to the email MathAction? --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:14:10 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Gabriel Dos Reis - <87k5p1c0nb.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, - William Stein, - list, - open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Axiom-Mail Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving +Cc: William Stein On 01 Nov 2007 12:54:00 -0500, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > Bill Page writes: @@ -901,22 +778,12 @@ to some appropriate mailing list. Any preferences? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:19:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Bill Page - <87k5p1c0nb.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - -Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, - William Stein, - list, - open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Axiom-Mail Subject: Re: [Axiom-mail] Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving +Cc: William Stein On Thu, 1 Nov 2007, Bill Page wrote: @@ -938,15 +805,10 @@ may just discontinue MathAction as well. But, not having to do the actual work, it might be easier for me to state what should be done... --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:29:54 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Bill Page -Cc: list Subject: wiki.axiom-developer.org Bill, @@ -981,24 +843,12 @@ the server will cost me about $5000./yr within a year. I need to reduce this cost considerably. Thus, I've asked you to find another server and William Stein has been kind enough to host your effort. -Tim - - - - - - - - \start -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 22:37:33 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, William Stein, - list, - open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Axiom-Mail -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Axiom Wiki and Portal are - moving +To: list +Cc: William Stein +Subject: Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving Bill Page wrote: > @@ -1132,23 +982,12 @@ bug tracker make sense only if one can restrict view so that only bugs reported against given fork are visible. Technically, this should be not a problem... - --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:22:47 -0400 From: Bill Page -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com - -Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, William Stein, - list, - open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Axiom-Mail -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are - moving +To: list +Subject: Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving +Cc: William Stein On 11/1/07, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -1421,20 +1260,12 @@ that includes it's own integrated wiki and interface to subversion. Do you think we should try to operate something like this as a common bug tracker for all the Axiom versions/forks? -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 18:27:22 +0100 (CET) From: Waldek Hebisch -Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, William Stein, - list, - open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Axiom-Mail -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are - moving +To: list +Subject: Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving +Cc: William Stein Bill Page wrote: > @@ -1665,22 +1496,11 @@ and works "good enough". I belive that changing IssueTracker in specific aspect I mentioned would not be very hard. So, now it is mostly question what other versions want. --- - Waldek Hebisch -Waldek Hebisch - - - \start -To: Bill Page - <9qzlxypjsq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 05 Nov 2007 10:06:09 +0100 -Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, - open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are - moving +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page +Subject: Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving Dear Bill, * @@ -1746,22 +1566,11 @@ to I need short names for the next axiom workshop :-) -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:38:30 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey - <9qzlxypjsq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - - <9qejf5qcxq.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, - open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are - moving +Subject: Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving On 05 Nov 2007 10:06:09 +0100, Martin Rubey wrote: > Dear Bill, * @@ -1892,16 +1701,10 @@ Aldor workshop to occur at this time and place. I will be coming to this meeting if at all possible, so perhaps we will finally meet in person. :-) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:31:18 -0400 From: Bill Page To: Tim Daly -Cc: list Subject: Re: wiki.axiom-developer.org On 11/1/07, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -1971,20 +1774,11 @@ No problem. Nothing lasts for ever. Thanks for providing the opportunity for me to contribute to Axiom in this way for the last 3 years. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:01:01 +0100 From: Ralf Hemmecke To: Bill Page - -Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, list, - open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net -Subject: Re: [open-axiom-devel] [fricas-devel] Re: Axiom - Wiki and Portal are moving +Subject: Re: Axiom Wiki and Portal are moving > About the next axiom workshop: Is there anything planned to coincide > with the upcoming ISSAC meeting (July 2008?) at Risc? @@ -1995,17 +1789,11 @@ No, not coinciding. But there are plans to have a during the RISC-Summer at July 24-26, i.e. right after ISSAC. -Ralf - - - \start Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:19:58 -0500 From: Alfredo Portes To: Bill Page Subject: re: wiki.axiom-developer.org - -Cc: list > I certainly understand your desire to reduce the operating costs but I > think that it is no longer true that most of the costs are associated @@ -2023,35 +1811,19 @@ one together with some of the packages necessary to build it. The iso is 686 M and the total for the /home/alfredo directory is now: 823 M. -Regards, - -Alfredo - - - \start +Date: 12 Nov 2007 08:23:32 +0100 +From: Martin Rubey To: Tim Daly Subject: Re: wiki.axiom-developer.org -From: Martin Rubey -Date: 12 Nov 2007 08:23:32 +0100 -Cc: list It seems that the old wiki is down. Did we loose IssueTracker now? -Martin - - - - \start Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:24:12 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: wiki.axiom-developer.org - <9qfxzcq64r.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: list - -Martin, There is some problem right now (cause unknown) with Apache on the axiom-developer.org server. But the wiki itself is not down. You can @@ -2068,35 +1840,22 @@ On 12 Nov 2007 08:23:32 +0100, Martin Rubey wrote: > It seems that the old wiki is down. Did we loose IssueTracker now? > > Martin -> -> - - \start Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:48:16 -0500 From: Tim Daly -To: Alfredo Portes, - Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs -Cc: list +To: Alfredo Portes, Arthur Ralfs Subject: newhyper.pamphlet A new version of newhyper.pamphlet is checked in. It implements rootpage -> topics -> numbers -> Cardinal Numbers -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 20:40:01 -0600 -To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Arthur Ralfs Subject: bug 7014: mathml parsing bug -Arthur, - )set out mathml on z:=continuedFraction(3,repeating [1], repeating [3,6]) @@ -2105,19 +1864,11 @@ gives the correct answer and then fails with: >> System error: Cannot take first of an empty list -Tim - - - \start Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:13:22 -0800 From: Arthur Ralfs -Subject: Re: bug 7014: mathml parsing bug To: Tim Daly -Message-id: <473FD802.6050806@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 - recognized. -Cc: list +Subject: Re: bug 7014: mathml parsing bug Tim Daly wrote: > Arthur, @@ -2136,17 +1887,12 @@ Tim Daly wrote: Thanks Tim, I'll look into that as soon as I can, which unfortunately will not be right away. -Arthur - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:59:03 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Willaim Stein William Stein, David Joyner, - Paul Zimmermann Subject: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Cc: William Stein, David Joyner, Paul Zimmermann David Joyner and William Stein published an opinion piece in the AMS Notices raising (yet again) the issue of mathematical results @@ -2219,16 +1965,10 @@ Axiom is basic science and has long term plans to be the foundation of open, provably correct, computational mathematics. Sadly, I feel that funding is only likely after the fact. Oh well. The work continues. -Tim Daly -Tim Daly - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:01:51 -0600 -To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Arthur Ralfs Subject: bug 7015: display of hex digits is wrong in mathml Arthur, @@ -2239,16 +1979,11 @@ in axiom but shows up as #\A in mathml. -Tim - - - \start Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:32:03 -0800 -From: "William Stein" William Stein -To: Tim Daly, sage-devel@googlegroups.com -Cc: list, Paul Zimmermann , - David Joyner +From: William Stein +To: Tim Daly +Cc: Paul Zimmermann, David Joyner Subject: Re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software On Nov 18, 2007 12:59 PM, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -2286,30 +2021,29 @@ To date NSF funding for Sage has meant: * conference and workshop support. * a 50% postdoc -- Clement Pernet. -The postdoc is by far the single biggest chunk of funding for Sage from the -NSF. This, as you say, fits very much into the academic context. What made -hiring him palatable to NSF is that Clement Pernet is doing very interesting -cutting edge work on exact linear algebra and publishes papers about this. -Thus hiring him supports the NSF mission in fundamental research. It just -happens he will also do work that will improve Sage as well. So far -NSF has never given us blanket money "for Sage", yet. I wish they would, but -I don't really see that as being likely. Much more likely is that -they fund specific -research projects, which have improving open source mathematical software -as a pleasant side effect. More examples below. +The postdoc is by far the single biggest chunk of funding for Sage +from the NSF. This, as you say, fits very much into the academic +context. What made hiring him palatable to NSF is that Clement Pernet +is doing very interesting cutting edge work on exact linear algebra +and publishes papers about this. Thus hiring him supports the NSF +mission in fundamental research. It just happens he will also do work +that will improve Sage as well. So far NSF has never given us blanket +money "for Sage", yet. I wish they would, but I don't really see that +as being likely. Much more likely is that they fund specific research +projects, which have improving open source mathematical software as a +pleasant side effect. More examples below. It's worth mentioning that NSF has funded Macaulay2 a lot over the years... By the way, I was recently at an NSF workshop, and I got the strong impression that NSF doesn't really "like" funding the purchases of -commercial software -very much. Also, some NSF programs will in practice actually reject proposals -that say they won't publish the software that comes -out of their work as open source... I had the impression that there is a new -sort of grass roots movement -by actual mathematicians that advise NSF toward supporting open source. -This was very surprising to me, but it's actually what appears to be happening, -very slowly but surely. This is good news for us. +commercial software very much. Also, some NSF programs will in +practice actually reject proposals that say they won't publish the +software that comes out of their work as open source... I had the +impression that there is a new sort of grass roots movement by actual +mathematicians that advise NSF toward supporting open source. This +was very surprising to me, but it's actually what appears to be +happening, very slowly but surely. This is good news for us. > First, the NSF funds the purchase of commercial software at universities. > Thus they explicity fund software that competes with open source. @@ -2325,15 +2059,15 @@ You are correct. That is our primary goal, though I much prefer the word > they can get from the NSF with such commercially-competitive goals. I think we can get a drop in the bucket, but it is an important one. -It will take other funding sources besides NSF, or funding other projects -that just happen to have a positive impact on open source software, to -really accomplish what we want. For example, I recently applied with -several people for a big "FRG" (focused research grant) on L-functions -and modular forms -- if it were funded it would advance -number theory research, but it would also have as a side effect advancing open -source mathematical software. And there are other funding -source, e.g., tax-free donations, which do help, and have directly benefited -sage already. +It will take other funding sources besides NSF, or funding other +projects that just happen to have a positive impact on open source +software, to really accomplish what we want. For example, I recently +applied with several people for a big "FRG" (focused research grant) +on L-functions and modular forms -- if it were funded it would advance +number theory research, but it would also have as a side effect +advancing open source mathematical software. And there are other +funding source, e.g., tax-free donations, which do help, and have +directly benefited sage already. > Third, even if the NSF funded SAGE, how would those funds benefit the > various subprojects like Axiom? Open source is mostly volunteer work @@ -2379,38 +2113,30 @@ instead of competing with them. > released. Is this what the NSF sees as the correct long term basis for > a fundamental science like computational mathematics? -I think you're right to be worried about exactly these things. Some people -in my research area (number theory / arithmetic geometry) are -worried about this right now in the context of Magma, whose longterm future is -hazy at present. There are actually many examples like this already, e.g., -Mupad doesn't seem to be doing so well commercially, and maybe -researchers who have written a lot of mupad code aren't so happy about this... +I think you're right to be worried about exactly these things. Some +people in my research area (number theory / arithmetic geometry) are +worried about this right now in the context of Magma, whose longterm +future is hazy at present. There are actually many examples like this +already, e.g., Mupad doesn't seem to be doing so well commercially, +and maybe researchers who have written a lot of mupad code aren't so +happy about this... > Seventh, if not funding the work directly, isn't it possible to at least > fund things like an 'Axiom workshop' so that open source developers could > have their travel and lodging paid for by grants? Face-to-face meetings > would greatly help the development work. -Workshops are a great thing to fund. Particularly good is choosing a specific -research topic and doing the workshop on that. E.g., I think there was -an Axiom Combinatorics workshop last summer, which is good. IPAM (which -is funded by NSF) is hosting a Sage Combinatorics workshop in February, -which they are funding. - -Best regards, - - William - - +Workshops are a great thing to fund. Particularly good is choosing a +specific research topic and doing the workshop on that. E.g., I think +there was an Axiom Combinatorics workshop last summer, which is good. +IPAM (which is funded by NSF) is hosting a Sage Combinatorics workshop +in February, which they are funding. \start Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:49:16 -0500 From: Tim Daly To: William Stein - (William Stein) - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: list, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, - sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner +Cc: Paul Zimmermann, David Joyner Subject: Re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software William, @@ -2455,16 +2181,11 @@ Maple, Axiom, etc) would post their results. Axiom has groups of such tests in its regression test suite already. -Tim - - - \start Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:51:08 -0500 From: Tim Daly -To: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr - on Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:24:35 +0100) -Cc: William Stein, list, David Joyner +To: Paul Zimmermann +Cc: William Stein, David Joyner Subject: Re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software >> Third, even if the NSF funded SAGE, how would those funds benefit the @@ -2481,18 +2202,11 @@ of testing, I was asking about how the funding of Sage would benefit projects like Axiom? How might we pay a developer to expand on symbolic summation code? -Tim - - - \start Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:53:20 -0800 -From: "William Stein" William Stein +From: William Stein To: Tim Daly - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <200711182349.lAINnGd23479@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, - sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner +Cc: Paul Zimmermann, David Joyner Subject: Re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software On Nov 18, 2007 3:49 PM, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -2535,26 +2249,17 @@ On Nov 18, 2007 3:49 PM, Tim Daly wrote: > Maple, Axiom, etc) would post their results. Actually NIST already has been working on an " Abramowitz & Stegun -style document " -for the last decade. I had a long talk on Friday in my office with the -guy who started that effort a decade ago... It's actually very exciting, -and I do think there is some possibility for something like you're describing -above, maybe more in the context of the CDI initiative at NSF. - -William - - +style document " for the last decade. I had a long talk on Friday in +my office with the guy who started that effort a decade ago... It's +actually very exciting, and I do think there is some possibility for +something like you're describing above, maybe more in the context of +the CDI initiative at NSF. \start Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:24:57 -0500 From: Tim Daly To: William Stein - (William Stein) - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <200711182349.lAINnGd23479@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711181453o1d13407al14ddcc15750448d9@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: list, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, - sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner +Cc: Paul Zimmermann,, David Joyner Subject: Re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software William, @@ -2600,15 +2305,10 @@ While I am at Carnegie-Mellon University, I'm not associated with any group that does computational mathematics so I couldn't justify such a proposal. -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:36:39 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: David Parnas on Specifications from @@ -2616,7 +2316,7 @@ from David Parnas (Univ of Limerick) is cited by Dan Weinreb as advocating He advocates much more precise and specific documentation, kept up - to date, to the oint where if someone asks a question about the + to date, to the point where if someone asks a question about the software, a programmer would go to the documentation rather than the code to answer the question. If finally turns out that he wants extremely precise specs written in a mathematical notation, ... @@ -2625,20 +2325,12 @@ Since he's clearly singing my song I wanted to record this comment. I'd like to see Axiom documented to this level. I think it is vitally important for the long term survival of the system. -Tim - - - \start Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:15:49 -0800 From: Ed Borasky To: William Stein -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - recognized. -Cc: list, Paul Zimmermann , - sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Cc: Paul Zimmermann, David Joyner William Stein wrote: > On Nov 18, 2007 12:59 PM, Tim Daly wrote: @@ -2660,6 +2352,7 @@ William Stein wrote: > hazy at present. There are actually many examples like this already, e.g., > Mupad doesn't seem to be doing so well commercially, and maybe > researchers who have written a lot of mupad code aren't so happy about this... + Another one ... Texas Instruments has discontinued Derive. They do have some kind of replacement, but their marketing seems to be only to the SAT-prep and educational institution arena, not professional working @@ -2674,14 +2367,10 @@ source packages. About all it takes for an open-source package to be competitive these days is a "native" (non-Cygwin) Windows port. But I don't do the high-end PhD research, either. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:48:59 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: 20071118.01.tpd.patch fix [Ring, SetCategory] (7011), [Integer,Float] (7010,209) @@ -2718,12 +2407,8 @@ index b1066aa..af6ead2 100644 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 01:35:40 -0500 From: Tim Daly To: Ed Borasky -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4740E3C5.7070703@cesmail.net> -Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, William Stein, - list, David Joyner +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Cc: Paul Zimmermann, William Stein, David Joyner I had an offline discussion with management at Texas Instruments about Derive. I'm concerned that this historically interesting @@ -2751,16 +2436,10 @@ It looks like we've lost another great CAS to the corporate blackhole. A similar fate for Mathematica or Maple will leave a huge hole in computational mathematics worldwide. -Tim - - - \start Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:58:52 -0500 From: Tim Daly -To: rcunnin2@hotmail.com - Cunningham on Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:48:54 -0500) -Cc: list +To: Casey Cunningham Subject: Re: > I recently installed fedora 6 and was looking to install AXIOM, to use @@ -2778,17 +2457,11 @@ Note that these are the silver (latest changes) versions. The upload is rather slow so give it an hour or so (It is now 2am EST). -Tim - - - \start -From: Paul Zimmermann -To: Tim Daly - (Tim Daly) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:24:35 +0100 - recognized. -Cc: William Stein, list, David Joyner +From: Paul Zimmermann +To: Tim Daly +Cc: William Stein, David Joyner Subject: Re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software Dear Tim, @@ -2802,15 +2475,10 @@ tremendous work in porting, testing, reporting bugs and even patches to "upstream" developers. This saves a lot of time to the subproject developers, and helps a lot in improving the quality of those subprojects. -Paul - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:27:29 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: 20071119.01.tpd.patch This patch adds fedora6, fedora7, and fedora8 stanza. @@ -3063,13 +2731,10 @@ index 430c68f..8e672f7 100644 20071019 acr src/interp/http.lisp use new return values 20071019 acr src/algebra/axserver.spad use new return values - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:57:45 -0600 -To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Arthur Ralfs Subject: bug 7016 mathml display of %%var is wrong Arthur, @@ -3085,19 +2750,11 @@ but mathml gives: somebody ate the %%. -Tim - - - \start Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:43:16 -0800 From: Arthur Ralfs -Subject: Re: bug 7016 mathml display of %%var is wrong To: Tim Daly -Message-id: <47460604.3090605@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 - recognized. -Cc: list +Subject: Re: bug 7016 mathml display of %%var is wrong Tim Daly wrote: > Arthur, @@ -3112,31 +2769,16 @@ Tim Daly wrote: > var +1 > > somebody ate the %%. -> -> Tim -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> -> + Tim, Keep 'em coming. I'm hoping I'll have time to do a revision of the mathml package when I'm on vacation in a couple of weeks. -Arthur - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 23:41:45 -0600 -To: Alfredo Portes, - Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Alfredo Portes, Arthur Ralfs Subject: newhyper.pamphlet Another version is checked in. It features: @@ -3146,15 +2788,10 @@ Another version is checked in. It features: (This is a new section. I'm taking the MIT course online and working my course notes up into topics pages) -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:32:53 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: November 2007 release Summary: November 2007 release @@ -3635,16 +3272,11 @@ ADD )HELP FACILITY 20070827 tpd src/algebra/fr.spad add Factored.help (FR) 20070827 tpd src/algebra/fr.spad add Factored.input - - - \start Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 00:53:12 -0800 From: Ed Borasky To: Tim Daly -Subject: Re: November 2007 release - longer?) in the cache. -Cc: list +Subject: Re: November 2007 release Tim Daly wrote: > Summary: November 2007 release @@ -3679,14 +3311,10 @@ Tim Daly wrote: Are there source tarballs of the Golden source? - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:58:54 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: Ed Borasky -Cc: list Subject: November 2007 source tarball Follow the src link at @@ -3698,17 +3326,11 @@ These will be moved and maintained in the future at as soon as the new website details get settled. -Tim - - \start Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:58:16 -0500 From: Bill Page To: list, - Axiom-Mail , - open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com -Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com Subject: Axiom Wiki and Axiom Portal Dear Axiom Fans, @@ -3770,18 +3392,11 @@ transfer to the new site, please register at the new site: and if necessary ask me for help in transferring the content. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com -From: Martin Rubey Date: 25 Nov 2007 08:19:09 +0100 -Cc: list, - open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Axiom Wiki and Axiom Portal +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: Re: Axiom Wiki and Axiom Portal Bill Page writes: @@ -3799,35 +3414,20 @@ Bill, you are a hero! I never used it that one. -Martin - - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:26:26 -0600 -To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs, - Alfredo Portes -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Arthur Ralfs, Alfredo Portes Subject: newhyper.pamphlet I finished the specific polynomial types which completes the topics->polynomial pages. I also added the complete glossary. It is checked in. -Tim - - - \start -To: axiom-devel , - fricas-devel , - open-axiom-devel , - aldor-l -From: Martin Rubey Date: 25 Nov 2007 11:28:11 +0100 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: Bug in parallel iteration Dear all, @@ -3883,19 +3483,11 @@ Any hope? I.e., what I want is: * apply such-that clauses to all iterators that come before, and are in the same group -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 25 Nov 2007 09:41:56 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Bug in parallel iteration -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 25 Nov 2007 09:41:56 -0600 -Cc: axiom-devel , - open-axiom-devel , - fricas-devel , aldor-l Martin Rubey writes: @@ -3920,19 +3512,11 @@ You may want to lobby for changing a documented behaviour (thus breaking codes written with that specification in mind), but I'm not sure calling it bug is an effective way to achieve that goal. --- Gaby - - - \start +Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:41:19 -0500 From: William Sit +To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Bug in parallel iteration -To: Martin Rubey,axiom-devel - , fricas-devel - , open-axiom-devel - , aldor-l -Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:41:19 -0500 -Cc: Dear Martin: @@ -4026,33 +3610,13 @@ On 25 Nov 2007 11:28:11 +0100 >* apply such-that clauses to all iterators that come >before, and are in the > same group -> ->Martin -> -> -> ->_______________________________________________ ->Axiom-developer mailing list ->list ->http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer - -William Sit, -Professor of Mathematics, City College of New York - -Office: R6/202C Tel: 212-650-5179, Fax: 212-862-0004 -Home Page: http://scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~wyscc/ - - \start Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:14:19 -0500 From: Cliff Yapp To: William Stein -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: list, Paul Zimmermann , - sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Cc: Paul Zimmermann, David Joyner >> Third, even if the NSF funded SAGE, how would those funds benefit the >> various subprojects like Axiom? Open source is mostly volunteer work @@ -4078,20 +3642,12 @@ guaranteed to be open. Is this something someone could set up with any hope of success? -CY - - - \start Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:58:05 -0800 -From: "William Stein" William Stein +From: William Stein To: Cliff Yapp -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> -Cc: list, Paul Zimmermann , - sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Cc: Paul Zimmermann, David Joyner On Nov 25, 2007 2:14 PM, Cliff Yapp wrote: > >> Third, even if the NSF funded SAGE, how would those funds benefit the @@ -4128,24 +3684,12 @@ example, which should not be ignored: http://magma.maths.usyd.edu.au/magma/ -William - - -- William - - - \start Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:54:03 -0500 From: Tim Daly To: William Stein - (William Stein) -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner, - list +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Cc: Paul Zimmermann, David Joyner >> >> Third, even if the NSF funded SAGE, how would those funds benefit the >> >> various subprojects like Axiom? Open source is mostly volunteer work @@ -4221,29 +3765,16 @@ Considering both sides, it seems that disruptive funding is the greater danger to the long term survival. In the long run, it's not the funding that matters. It's the work. - -Tim - -------------------------------------------------------------------- What would you do if you were not paid to do it? That's what you are. -- Tim Daly - - - - \start Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:49:50 -0800 -From: "William Stein" William Stein +From: William Stein To: Tim Daly -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner, - Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Cc: David Joyner, Paul Zimmermann On Nov 25, 2007 7:54 PM, Tim Daly wrote: > >> >> Third, even if the NSF funded SAGE, how would those funds benefit the @@ -4355,25 +3886,14 @@ getting a lot of "funding" in some sense. Just out of curiosity does Axiom always have a 30 year horizon, or does it become a 20 year horizon at some point? -William - - - \start -To: "William Stein" William Stein -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 25 Nov 2007 23:18:53 -0600 -Cc: list, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, - sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: William Stein +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Cc: Paul Zimmermann, David Joyner -"William Stein" William Stein writes: +William Stein writes: [...] @@ -4382,24 +3902,12 @@ Cc: list, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, I think it always has 30 years horizon -- the horizon doesn't move ;-) --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:20:30 -0500 From: Tim Daly To: William Stein - (William Stein) -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner, - list +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Cc: Paul Zimmermann, David Joyner > >> >> Third, even if the NSF funded SAGE, how would those funds benefit the ...[snip]... @@ -4639,26 +4147,12 @@ So "The 30 year horizon" is a sort of Zeno's game. You may get half way there but you'll never actually get all the way there. I intended the slogan to inspire, not limit. -Tim - - - - - \start Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:45:02 -0800 -From: "William Stein" William Stein +From: William Stein To: Tim Daly -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner, - Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Cc: David Joyner, Paul Zimmermann On Nov 26, 2007 12:20 AM, Tim Daly wrote: > > >> >> Third, even if the NSF funded SAGE, how would those funds benefit the @@ -4846,20 +4340,12 @@ counterbalance to my whole approach to mathematical software since I'm primarily interested in "short-term thinking (e.g. competition with commercial software)". - -- William - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:10:28 -0800 From: Ed Borasky To: William Stein -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source - Mathematical Software - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - recognized. -Cc: list, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, - sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Cc: Paul Zimmermann, David Joyner William Stein wrote: > Well I'm trying to directly compete with heavily financed commercial @@ -4897,17 +4383,12 @@ Explorer, or the Linux desktop with the Windows desktop in the context of a corporate workstation. But again, I'm guessing that people who can cost-justify Mathematica or Maple will keep them in business and "winning." - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:33:10 -0500 From: Doug Stewart To: Ed Borasky -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open - Source Mathematical Software - <474AE1E4.6060101@cesmail.net> -Cc: William Stein, list, - Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Cc: William Stein, Paul Zimmermann, David Joyner Ed Borasky wrote: > William Stein wrote: @@ -4933,24 +4414,12 @@ sufficient quality or maturity to be used on a Windows desktop" I won't use anything else! Doug Stewart - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:01:33 -0500 From: Tim Daly To: William Stein, Ed Borasky - (William Stein) -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner, - list +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Cc: Paul Zimmermann, David Joyner ==> Tim Daly writes >> I believe that if such a system were available now there would be @@ -5132,28 +4601,10 @@ works for them and against you. My strategy makes the 3Ms useless toys. Raise your eyes to the 30 year horizon. Choose a winning strategy. Follow it. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:12:49 -0800 From: Arthur Ralfs -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software -Cc: list -Message-id: <474AFE91.40002@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <474AE1E4.6060101@cesmail.net> - recognized. +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software Ed Borasky wrote: > @@ -5169,25 +4620,11 @@ Ed Borasky wrote: Do you mean to say that you think IE is better than Firefox? Hard to imagine. -Arthur Ralfs - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:53:25 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Ed Borasky -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <474AE1E4.6060101@cesmail.net> -Cc: list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software On 11/26/07, Ed Borasky wrote: > ... @@ -5206,27 +4643,12 @@ both Microsoft products and FireFox and OpenOffice on Windows in a production work environment I consider OpenOffice and FireFox very clearly superior to what Microsoft produces. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:14:47 -0800 -From: "William Stein" William Stein +From: William Stein To: Tim Daly -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> -Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, - list, David Joyner, Dennis Stein +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Cc: Paul Zimmermann, David Joyner, Dennis Stein On Nov 26, 2007 10:01 AM, Tim Daly wrote: > ==> Ed Borasky writes: @@ -5246,9 +4668,8 @@ On Nov 26, 2007 10:01 AM, Tim Daly wrote: > >cost-justify Mathematica or Maple will keep them in business and "winning." Mathematical software is indeed difficult to write. You're right -- -what I hope to -accomplish with the Sage project is impossible. I don't care; I'm going to do -it anyways. +what I hope to accomplish with the Sage project is impossible. I +don't care; I'm going to do it anyways. > Clearly you've not studied your "Art of War" by Sun Tsu. :-) @@ -5296,9 +4717,8 @@ than yours. > the 3Ms from becoming useable with the Sage front end? Nothing. In fact, one of the main features of the Sage front end -already is that it -can be used with the 4Ms (don't dismiss Magma, which belongs in -there -- it's very good quality commercial software). +already is that it can be used with the 4Ms (don't dismiss Magma, +which belongs in there -- it's very good quality commercial software). > How hard would > it be for them to define "plug-ins" that either use the MMA workbook @@ -5314,8 +4734,8 @@ Yes. > Thus they gut your whole system. -No they don't. Sage is GPL'd. Any improvements or changes they make to Sage -must be given back. +No they don't. Sage is GPL'd. Any improvements or changes they make +to Sage must be given back. > They can make the claim that they "work with Sage" which allows them > to sell licenses to locations where you've "won". That's not strategic @@ -5323,18 +4743,14 @@ must be given back. > I don't know why you've chosen to benefit the enemy > but I can't prevent it. -True, you can't. But honestly I really don't see the 4M's as the -enemy. They are four high quality -valuable tools for mathematical computation. I love mathematics and -doing computation -in the context of mathematics, and at some level I really like using -any mathematical +True, you can't. But honestly I really don't see the 4M's as the +enemy. They are four high quality valuable tools for mathematical +computation. I love mathematics and doing computation in the context +of mathematics, and at some level I really like using any mathematical software. With Sage I want to provide a viable free open source -alternative, not put the -4M's out of business. Software is not a zero sum game. Especially -in research that -relies on computation -- trying to find the right conjecture -- it can -be quite valuable to compare +alternative, not put the 4M's out of business. Software is not a zero +sum game. Especially in research that relies on computation -- trying +to find the right conjecture -- it can be quite valuable to compare output produced by several different programs. > I also would like to replace these commercial systems with open @@ -5399,33 +4815,24 @@ other options they will have available. In fact, I think it highly unlikely. > matter what strategy is used. But the strategy you've chosen actually > works for them and against you. My strategy makes the 3Ms useless toys. -You're right, the strategy I'm using may benefit the 4M's. That doesn't -bother me at all, since my first allegiance is to mathematics and mathematical -research, and I think having more options and more support for mathematical -software tools is a plus for mathematics, even if some of them are commercial. -I'm just going to try to make sure at least one of the tools is -simultaneous open -and free, and can do what everyday people need. For way too long -it's been an embarrassment to "pure" mathematics that we don't have such -software yet. Also, it is bad for mathematics that it is difficult -for the 4M's -plus other systems like Axiom to work together -- one of the three main goals -for Sage is to make such cooperation much easier, because that benefits -mathematics as a whole. - - -- William - - +You're right, the strategy I'm using may benefit the 4M's. That +doesn't bother me at all, since my first allegiance is to mathematics +and mathematical research, and I think having more options and more +support for mathematical software tools is a plus for mathematics, +even if some of them are commercial. I'm just going to try to make +sure at least one of the tools is simultaneous open and free, and can +do what everyday people need. For way too long it's been an +embarrassment to "pure" mathematics that we don't have such software +yet. Also, it is bad for mathematics that it is difficult for the +4M's plus other systems like Axiom to work together -- one of the +three main goals for Sage is to make such cooperation much easier, +because that benefits mathematics as a whole. \start Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:24:27 -0800 From: Ed Borasky To: Arthur Ralfs -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open - Source Mathematical Software - <474AFE91.40002@shaw.ca> - recognized. -Cc: list +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software Arthur Ralfs wrote: > Ed Borasky wrote: @@ -5440,15 +4847,6 @@ Arthur Ralfs wrote: >> > Do you mean to say that you think IE is better than Firefox? Hard to > imagine. -> -> Arthur Ralfs -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> I'm saying: @@ -5466,26 +4864,12 @@ IE, it would still face an uphill battle in this arena. Are you saying that OpenOffice is "better" than Microsoft Office on any dimension other than price? :) - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:38:47 -0800 From: Ed Borasky To: William Stein -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711261214h3a53a4c4od9cee5b382ee55e4@mail.gmail.com> - recognized. -Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner, - list, Dennis Stein +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Cc: Paul Zimmermann, David Joyner, Dennis Stein William Stein wrote: @@ -5510,25 +4894,11 @@ people call it, "reproducible research". The point, however, is that a reproducible research "compendium" or literate program has to be readable and understood by the people who pay the bills. - - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:49:30 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Ed Borasky -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <474AE1E4.6060101@cesmail.net> <474AFE91.40002@shaw.ca> - <474B2B7B.70100@cesmail.net> -Cc: list +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software On 11/26/07, Ed Borasky Ed Borasky wrote: > @@ -5563,30 +4933,12 @@ Yes. In our office we often use OpenOffice/StarOffice just to possible I encourage people to use OpenOffice but most users are very very conservative and will only use what they think they already know. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:25:01 -0800 From: Arthur Ralfs -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software To: Ed Borasky -Message-id: <474B39AD.3080709@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <474AE1E4.6060101@cesmail.net> <474AFE91.40002@shaw.ca> - <474B2B7B.70100@cesmail.net> - recognized. -Cc: list +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software + Ed Borasky wrote: > Arthur Ralfs wrote: @@ -5602,15 +4954,7 @@ Ed Borasky wrote: >>> >> Do you mean to say that you think IE is better than Firefox? Hard to >> imagine. ->> ->> Arthur Ralfs ->> ->> ->> _______________________________________________ ->> Axiom-developer mailing list ->> list ->> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer ->> + > > I'm saying: > @@ -5631,28 +4975,11 @@ Ed Borasky wrote: No. About the only time I use OpenOffice is to open an MS Office document that somebody sends me. -Arthur - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:55:50 -0800 From: Arthur Ralfs -Subject: content mathml was re: AMS Notices: Open Source - Mathematical Software To: Tim Daly -Message-id: <474B40E6.4010309@shaw.ca> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> - recognized. -Cc: list +Subject: content mathml was re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software root wrote: > You let the enemy use your own strength against you. The Axiom front @@ -5673,28 +5000,12 @@ because of discussions I've seen here. However I have also wondered you've added a new (for me) slant. Do you think content mathml would amount to a Trojan horse? -Arthur - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:21:49 -0500 From: Tim Daly To: William Stein - (William Stein) -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711261214h3a53a4c4od9cee5b382ee55e4@mail.gmail.com> -Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, - list, David Joyner, dsteinsd@gmail.com +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Cc: Paul Zimmermann, David Joyner, Dennis Stein ...[snip]... > True, you can't. But honestly I really don't see the 4M's as the @@ -5721,9 +5032,6 @@ Either choice is fine. We're clearly not competing and I'll do everything I can to help Sage along. In fact, I'd really like it if Sage tried to become literate. - - - >No they don't. Sage is GPL'd. Any improvements or changes they make >to Sage must be given back. @@ -5739,11 +5047,6 @@ becomes another "prospect" for the nMs. In fact, come to think of it, this might make a useful argument to try to get corporate funding :-) "We're your best sales tool!" - - - - - >Whether or not a system can compete is determined by what actual real >people really want and can afford when teaching or doing research. @@ -5757,12 +5060,10 @@ with commercial software". Which shows that they don't understand that Axiom is NOT trying to compete; and that funding competition to commercial software implies funding BOTH sides of the effort. - - - ->It's not at all clear to me that actual research mathematicians, teachers ->and engineers want what you're describing above more than the ->other options they will have available. In fact, I think it highly unlikely. +>It's not at all clear to me that actual research mathematicians, +>teachers and engineers want what you're describing above more than +>the other options they will have available. In fact, I think it +>highly unlikely. In the long term (think next century) does it benefit computational mathematics if the fundamental algorithms are "black box"? It may @@ -5782,8 +5083,6 @@ practice still existed today? Well, I ask how far computational mathematics will develop if we continue the same practice. Define the practice as outside your interest and ignore those who do it. - - Anyway, this is all "angels on pinheads" debate. The chances of funding Axiom are exactly equal to the chances of me @@ -5792,28 +5091,11 @@ winning the lottery. I play the numbers 3 14 15 92 65 35 religiously :-) I did appreciate your publication though. Hopefully someone will read it and show up with funding for Sage. -Tim - - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:36:56 -0500 From: Tim Daly To: Arthur Ralfs - Nov 2007 13:55:50 -0800) -Subject: Re: content mathml was re: AMS Notices: Open - Source Mathematical Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> - <474B40E6.4010309@shaw.ca> -Cc: list +Subject: Re: content mathml was re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software >root wrote: >> You let the enemy use your own strength against you. The Axiom front @@ -5861,66 +5143,34 @@ more easily do that in Axiom by writing out the lisp data structures. Mike Dewar has done a lot of work in this area and might have more well thought out opinions. -Tim - - - - \start -To: "William Stein" William Stein -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711261214h3a53a4c4od9cee5b382ee55e4@mail.gmail.com> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 26 Nov 2007 18:15:50 -0600 -Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, - list, David Joyner, Dennis Stein +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: William Stein +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Cc: Paul Zimmermann, David Joyner, Dennis Stein -"William Stein" William Stein writes: +William Stein writes: [...] -| You're right, the strategy I'm using may benefit the 4M's. That doesn't -| bother me at all, since my first allegiance is to mathematics and mathematical -| research, and I think having more options and more support for mathematical -| software tools is a plus for mathematics, even if some of them are commercial. +| You're right, the strategy I'm using may benefit the 4M's. That +| doesn't bother me at all, since my first allegiance is to +| mathematics and mathematical research, and I think having more +| options and more support for mathematical software tools is a plus +| for mathematics, even if some of them are commercial. Hear! Hear! Hear! If the plan I'm flying is built based on simulations with commercial mathematical software tools, I surely want them to be the best. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:06:35 -0800 From: Ed Borasky To: Tim Daly -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711261214h3a53a4c4od9cee5b382ee55e4@mail.gmail.com> - <200711262321.lAQNLn603680@localhost.localdomain> - recognized. -Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, William Stein, - list, David Joyner, dsteinsd@gmail.com +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Cc: Paul Zimmermann, William Stein, David Joyner, Dennis Stein root wrote: > The NSF, INRIA, and others cover it. @@ -5968,28 +5218,12 @@ computational complexity odds were heavily stacked against one. I think I've made the case that they would get re-invented. - - - \start -To: Ed Borasky -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711261214h3a53a4c4od9cee5b382ee55e4@mail.gmail.com> - <200711262321.lAQNLn603680@localhost.localdomain> - <474B97CB.8030503@cesmail.net> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 26 Nov 2007 23:01:56 -0600 -Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, William Stein, - list, David Joyner, dsteinsd@gmail.com +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Ed Borasky +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Cc: Paul Zimmermann, William Stein, David Joyner, Dennis Stein Ed Borasky writes: @@ -6008,27 +5242,12 @@ Indeed. There is an inherent complexity issue. So what people do is to optimize for certain classes of systems. So, I don't know what "really fast Groebner basis algorithm" could possibly mean. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:53:37 -0800 -From: "William Stein" William Stein +From: William Stein To: Ed Borasky -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711261214h3a53a4c4od9cee5b382ee55e4@mail.gmail.com> - <200711262321.lAQNLn603680@localhost.localdomain> - <474B97CB.8030503@cesmail.net> -Cc: Paul.Zimmermann@loria.fr, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner, - list +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Cc: Paul Zimmermann, David Joyner On Nov 26, 2007 8:06 PM, Ed Borasky Ed Borasky wrote: > root wrote: @@ -6108,31 +5327,11 @@ The F4 in Magma is really incredibly fast at many standard benchmark problems. See the timings here: http://magma.maths.usyd.edu.au/users/allan/gb/ -William - - - \start Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:47:20 +0100 -From: Michel Lavaud -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, list -Message-id: <474BF5B8.9040506@cegetel.net> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711261214h3a53a4c4od9cee5b382ee55e4@mail.gmail.com> - <87r6iczgp5.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - Gecko/20070728 Thunderbird/2.0.0.6 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 -Cc: - +From: Michel Lavaud +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software > If the plane I'm flying is built based on simulations with commercial > mathematical software tools, I surely want them to be the best. @@ -6253,22 +5452,12 @@ study them - and in particular make software - in their own way. And their own way for software is Open Source as explained above, except if one prefers to jump backward 200 years.. -Best wishes, -Michel - - - - \start -From: Paul Zimmermann -To: Tim Daly - root on Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:01:33 -0500) -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:47:44 +0100 - recognized. -Cc: William Stein, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, list, - David Joyner +From: Paul Zimmermann +To: Tim Daly +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Cc: William Stein, David Joyner Dear Tim, @@ -6280,33 +5469,16 @@ then how do you explain that both Mathematica, Maple and Magma use the GNU MP library? Clearly the idea/time/money are not enough, even for companies of 1000+ people, to compete with ***one*** specialist of his field. -Paul Zimmermann - - - \start Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:33:31 +0100 -From: "Bertfried Fauser" -To: Ed Borasky, list -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <474AE1E4.6060101@cesmail.net> <474AFE91.40002@shaw.ca> - <474B2B7B.70100@cesmail.net> -Cc: +From: Bertfried Fauser +To: Ed Borasky +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software Hi, is this kindergarden? or do we talk Axiom issues here? lol... -Ciao -BF. - On Nov 26, 2007 9:24 PM, Ed Borasky Ed Borasky wrote: > Arthur Ralfs wrote: > > Ed Borasky wrote: @@ -6321,15 +5493,6 @@ On Nov 26, 2007 9:24 PM, Ed Borasky Ed Borasky wrote: > >> > > Do you mean to say that you think IE is better than Firefox? Hard to > > imagine. -> > -> > Arthur Ralfs -> > -> > -> > _______________________________________________ -> > Axiom-developer mailing list -> > list -> > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> > > > I'm saying: > @@ -6346,31 +5509,11 @@ On Nov 26, 2007 9:24 PM, Ed Borasky Ed Borasky wrote: > > Are you saying that OpenOffice is "better" than Microsoft Office on any > dimension other than price? :) -> -> -> _______________________________________________ -> Axiom-developer mailing list -> list -> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer -> - - - --- -% PD Dr Bertfried Fauser -% Privat Docent: University of Konstanz, Physics Dept - -% contact |-> URL : http://clifford.physik.uni-konstanz.de/~fauser/ -% Phone : +49 7531 693491 - - \start -To: Bill Page, axiom-devel , - fricas-devel , open-axiom-devel@lists.s -From: Martin Rubey Date: 27 Nov 2007 14:40:49 +0100 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page Subject: revert won't work, preview missing Dear Bill! @@ -6382,19 +5525,10 @@ Two problems with the new wiki: * I cannot revert an edit (Site Error occurred). Do I have to register to do so? (might make sense) -Martin - - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:16:23 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Cc: axiom-devel , open-axiom-devel@lists.s, - fricas-devel Subject: Re: revert won't work, preview missing Martin, @@ -6477,20 +5611,12 @@ malicious changes) is very important. You should not hesitate to use this function if you think an improper change has been made to a page or in the case of a simple error. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:24:09 -0800 From: Ed Borasky -To: Michel Lavaud -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source - Mathematical Software - <474BF5B8.9040506@cegetel.net> - recognized. -Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Michel Lavaud +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis Michel Lavaud wrote: > @@ -6527,26 +5653,11 @@ computers were available outside of the military when the Comet was designed, and they would have been on the scale of a Von Neumann/IAS machine, or maybe an IBM 704, if they were. - - - \start Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:44:58 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Michel Lavaud -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711261214h3a53a4c4od9cee5b382ee55e4@mail.gmail.com> - <87r6iczgp5.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <474BF5B8.9040506@cegetel.net> -Cc: list +To: Michel Lavaud +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Michel Lavaud wrote: @@ -6596,135 +5707,70 @@ funded by NSF -- but maybe I'm not reading the same thread as you. http://www.sagemath.org/ --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:00:30 +0100 -From: Michel Lavaud -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software -To: Ed Borasky, list -Message-id: <474C694E.6030806@cegetel.net> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711261214h3a53a4c4od9cee5b382ee55e4@mail.gmail.com> - <87r6iczgp5.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <474BF5B8.9040506@cegetel.net> - <474C3699.5090500@cesmail.net> - Gecko/20070728 Thunderbird/2.0.0.6 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 -Cc: +From: Michel Lavaud +To: Ed Borasky +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software Ed Borasky a =E9crit : ->> If the plane I'm flying is built based on simulations with commerc= -ial=20 ->> mathematical software tools, whose accuracy is guaranteed in the= -=20 ->> usual way, i.e. no guarantee at all except refund for the price of= -=20 ->> the software whatever consequences and it is forbidden to get the= -=20 ->> source code to check if it is correct - then I will for sure take= -=20 ->> the next plane, if it has been built with free Open Source softwar= -e :-) -> + +>> If the plane I'm flying is built based on simulations with commercial +>> mathematical software tools, whose accuracy is guaranteed in the +>> usual way, i.e. no guarantee at all except refund for the price of +>> the software whatever consequences and it is forbidden to get the +>> source code to check if it is correct - then I will for sure take +>> the next plane, if it has been built with free Open Source software :-) + > [snip] > -> I've heard this argument before -- it's fallacious on a number of= -=20 +> I've heard this argument before -- it's fallacious on a number of > levels, and I don't have time to dig into it right now. -Ah dear, you win, I confess I am unable to refute your argument. So,= -=20 -after closed source programs, we have now closed source arguments! Ve= -ry=20 +Ah dear, you win, I confess I am unable to refute your argument. So, +after closed source programs, we have now closed source arguments! Very clever. Can I buy a licence ? (Ok, just a joke:-)) -> But I want to remind people that: 1. Aircraft used to be designed w= -ith=20 -> slide rules and mechanical desk calculators. The equations involved= -=20 -> are "open source" in the sense that everyone who is a professional= -=20 -> aeronautical engineer learns them in college, knows them intimately= -.=20 -> What today's computers allow us to do is build larger and more comp= -lex=20 +> But I want to remind people that: 1. Aircraft used to be designed with +> slide rules and mechanical desk calculators. The equations involved +> are "open source" in the sense that everyone who is a professional +> aeronautical engineer learns them in college, knows them intimately. +> What today's computers allow us to do is build larger and more complex > aviation systems that are more economical on fuel. > -Yes of course, I don't deny the usefulness of computers for aviation.= - As=20 -for "open source" equations : we inherited the old traditional=20 -scientific way of not selling knowledge. In the new framework of=20 -so-called "economy of knowledge" (which is, in my opinion, an oxymoro= -n,=20 -but that's another story), that promote to put property rights on= -=20 -knowledge, this will not be the case any more. That's one of my point= -s :=20 -the trend (i.e. the derivative) is that the situation will go worse,= -=20 -i.e. less and less "open source" equations, if we scientists do not s= -top=20 -this trend by realizing that selling scientific software and more= -=20 -generally selling knowledge is "tuer la poule aux oeufs d'or" (don't= -=20 +Yes of course, I don't deny the usefulness of computers for aviation. As +for "open source" equations : we inherited the old traditional +scientific way of not selling knowledge. In the new framework of +so-called "economy of knowledge" (which is, in my opinion, an oxymoron, +but that's another story), that promote to put property rights on +knowledge, this will not be the case any more. That's one of my points : +the trend (i.e. the derivative) is that the situation will go worse, +i.e. less and less "open source" equations, if we scientists do not stop +this trend by realizing that selling scientific software and more +generally selling knowledge is "tuer la poule aux oeufs d'or" (don't know in English : "kill the hen with golden eggs"?) > -> 2. Very few aircraft crashes are caused by design flaws of any kind= -,=20 -> and even fewer by incorrect software. Human error at the time of th= -e=20 -> flight and sabotage/terrorism/military actions are the two main cau= -ses=20 -> of aircraft crashes. The only really blatant example of a design fl= -aw=20 -> causing aircraft crashes I can remember was the DeHavilland Comet.= -=20 -> That was not a software flaw as far as I know -- I'm not even sure= -=20 -> scientific computers were available outside of the military when th= -e=20 -> Comet was designed, and they would have been on the scale of a Von= -=20 +> 2. Very few aircraft crashes are caused by design flaws of any kind, +> and even fewer by incorrect software. Human error at the time of the +> flight and sabotage/terrorism/military actions are the two main causes +> of aircraft crashes. The only really blatant example of a design flaw +> causing aircraft crashes I can remember was the DeHavilland Comet. +> That was not a software flaw as far as I know -- I'm not even sure +> scientific computers were available outside of the military when the +> Comet was designed, and they would have been on the scale of a Von > Neumann/IAS machine, or maybe an IBM 704, if they were. -Yes, OK : in the times when computers were inexistant, I agree it is= -=20 -highly improbable that plane crashes were caused by sofware errors :-= -)=20 -However, in the times when they existed and were used, I would bet th= -at=20 -most numerical computations for planes were made in Fortran, and Fort= -ran=20 -is the exception :that confirms the rule : there are many free librar= -ies=20 -of subroutines in this language, and some (if not all ?) commercial= -=20 -libraries of subroutines are sold with the source code. But maybe I'm= -=20 +Yes, OK : in the times when computers were inexistant, I agree it is +highly improbable that plane crashes were caused by sofware errors :-) +However, in the times when they existed and were used, I would bet that +most numerical computations for planes were made in Fortran, and Fortran +is the exception :that confirms the rule : there are many free libraries +of subroutines in this language, and some (if not all ?) commercial +libraries of subroutines are sold with the source code. But maybe I'm wrong ? -Best wishes, - - - - - - \start Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:12:09 -0500 From: Tim Daly -To: chris.arena@gmail.com - (chris.arena@gmail.com) -Cc: list +To: Chris Arena Subject: Re: problem with Axiom pages? Chris, @@ -6744,18 +5790,10 @@ Source and binary downloads can be found at: and don't hesitate to mention these things as I would never know otherwise. -Tim - - - \start -To: fricas-devel , - open-axiom-devel , - axiom-devel - <200711272012.lARKC9E04357@localhost.localdomain> -From: Martin Rubey Date: 27 Nov 2007 20:26:50 +0100 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: list Subject: Link to new wiki Dear maintainers in charge, @@ -6766,21 +5804,11 @@ I would like to suggest that each one of you places a link to the new wiki home on his projects homepage. I believe that this would be a win for all of us. -Martin - - - - \start +Date: 27 Nov 2007 13:55:58 -0600 +From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Martin Rubey Subject: Re: Link to new wiki - <200711272012.lARKC9E04357@localhost.localdomain> - <9qy7cjjxqd.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis -Date: 27 Nov 2007 13:55:58 -0600 -Cc: fricas-devel , - open-axiom-devel , - axiom-devel Martin Rubey writes: @@ -6795,20 +5823,12 @@ Martin Rubey writes: That is easily solved: Bill has write priliege to OpenAxiom's web and other stuff :-). OpenAxiom's web files are in the repository. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:50:55 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey - <200711272012.lARKC9E04357@localhost.localdomain> - <9qy7cjjxqd.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> -Cc: axiom-devel , - open-axiom-devel , - fricas-devel@googlegroups.com -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Link to new wiki +Cc: list +Subject: Re: Link to new wiki On 27 Nov 2007 20:26:50 +0100, Martin Rubey wrote: > @@ -6831,21 +5851,11 @@ dash in the axiom-wiki part. Sorry, 'newsynthesis' is a fixed name, but I could add an alias for 'axiomwiki' if you think that would be a good idea. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com - <200711272012.lARKC9E04357@localhost.localdomain> - <9qy7cjjxqd.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - -From: Martin Rubey Date: 27 Nov 2007 21:04:56 +0100 -Cc: axiom-devel , - open-axiom-devel -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Link to new wiki +From: Martin Rubey +To: list +Subject: Re: Re: Link to new wiki Bill Page writes: @@ -6864,21 +5874,11 @@ make my suggestions then. In any case, many many thanks Bill! -Martin - - - - \start Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:57:09 -0500 From: Bill Page -To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Link to new wiki - <200711272012.lARKC9E04357@localhost.localdomain> - <9qy7cjjxqd.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> - <87ejebtqcx.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> -Cc: open-axiom-devel , - axiom-devel +To: list +Subject: Re: Re: Link to new wiki On 27 Nov 2007 13:55:58 -0600, Gabriel Dos Reis wrote: > @@ -6947,186 +5947,99 @@ Modified: htdocs/links.html +
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Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. -http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ -_______________________________________________ -open-axiom-commit mailing list -open-axiom-commit@lists.sourceforge.net -https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/open-axiom-commit - - - \start Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:16:29 +0100 -From: Michel Lavaud -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, list -Message-id: <474CA54D.9010002@cegetel.net> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711261214h3a53a4c4od9cee5b382ee55e4@mail.gmail.com> - <87r6iczgp5.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <474BF5B8.9040506@cegetel.net> - - Gecko/20070728 Thunderbird/2.0.0.6 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 -Cc: +From: Michel Lavaud +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Michel Lavaud wrote: > > [...] -> -> | Personnally, I think the only valid, scientific way is the first = -one : any -> | work proposed for publication that uses commercial software ought= - to be -> | rejected by the referee, unless it says explicitly and honestly t= -hat it used -> | commercial, non-provable software, so that another researcher can= - then improve -> | on the article later, and publish another article using a complet= -ely Open -> | Source software and provide a complete, rigorous, verifiable proo= -f.. -> + +> | Personnally, I think the only valid, scientific way is the first +> | one : any work proposed for publication that uses commercial +> | software ought to be rejected by the referee, unless it says +> | explicitly and honestly that it used commercial, non-provable +> | software, so that another researcher can then improve on the +> | article later, and publish another article using a completely Open +> | Source software and provide a complete, rigorous, verifiable +> | proof.. + > So, are you arguing for or a against > -> # If the plane I'm flying is built based on simulations with comme= -rcial +> # If the plane I'm flying is built based on simulations with commercial > # mathematical software tools, I surely want them to be the best. > > ? > -> =20 -I am not sure I understand the question, is it about your remark on= -=20 -planes ? If yes, it was more of a joke because I assumed your remark = -was=20 -too : was it not ? I would believe that big aviation companies use th= -eir=20 -own software, so it is Open Source internally, even if it is not=20 -published outside of the company. I assume that, if they use commerci= -al=20 -software, they use it only in drafts or for double-checing, and they = -use=20 -their software for real definitive work ? My serious remarks were for= -=20 -software used by academic scientists, not by engineers in big compani= -es. + +I am not sure I understand the question, is it about your remark on +planes ? If yes, it was more of a joke because I assumed your remark was +too : was it not ? I would believe that big aviation companies use their +own software, so it is Open Source internally, even if it is not +published outside of the company. I assume that, if they use commercial +software, they use it only in drafts or for double-checing, and they use +their software for real definitive work ? My serious remarks were for +software used by academic scientists, not by engineers in big companies. > [...] -> -> | This trend is especially common among experimental scientists, fo= -r two reasons -> | : first, they have lot of money so they can buy very expensive so= -ftware, and -> | second, there is an inherent uncertainty in experimental results,= - so they -> | translate their tolerance to errors in experimental results towar= -d tolerance -> | to possible errors in commercial software, without realizing (or = -wanting to -> | realize) that errors in experiment and software are of a complete= - different -> | nature : error in an experimental measure is unavoidable and inhe= -rent to -> | experimental work, while error in a software is completely avoida= -ble since it -> | is pure mathematics, expressed in a computer language instead of = -plain -> | English. -> + +> | This trend is especially common among experimental scientists, for +> | two reasons : first, they have lot of money so they can buy very +> | expensive software, and second, there is an inherent uncertainty +> | in experimental results, so they translate their tolerance to +> | errors in experimental results toward tolerance to possible errors +> | in commercial software, without realizing (or wanting to realize) +> | that errors in experiment and software are of a complete different +> | nature : error in an experimental measure is unavoidable and +> | inherent to experimental work, while error in a software is +> | completely avoidable since it is pure mathematics, expressed in a +> | computer language instead of plain English. + > That may be the case. In the interest of rigor and openness as you -> promote, do you have data for that scenario we could all check so t= -hat +> promote, do you have data for that scenario we could all check so that > it does not appear to be a gratuitous anecdote? > -> =20 -Once again, I'm not sure I understand the question : which data would= -=20 -you like that "all could check" ? Do you mean a table that would list= -=20 -the number of licences of commercial softwares that were bought in t= -he=20 -various laboratories of my university, with prices ? It probably coul= -d=20 -be obtained, but I have not. All I can say is that, among physicists,= -=20 -chemists and biologists I know, only a handful use free software, mos= -t=20 -use commercial software under Windows, many use commercial software s= -old=20 -with measurement apparatus, or sold by vendors of software that organ= -ise=20 -journeys of formation and propose reduced prices for grouped commands= -.=20 -Those colleagues I know who use CAS use Mathematica, several chemists= -=20 -use very expensive software on workstations for representing molecule= -s,=20 -some biologists use expensive software to analyze data. I know only o= -ne=20 -colleague who writes free software and distribute it on its web site.= -=20 +> +Once again, I'm not sure I understand the question : which data would +you like that "all could check" ? Do you mean a table that would list +the number of licences of commercial softwares that were bought in the +various laboratories of my university, with prices ? It probably could +be obtained, but I have not. All I can say is that, among physicists, +chemists and biologists I know, only a handful use free software, most +use commercial software under Windows, many use commercial software sold +with measurement apparatus, or sold by vendors of software that organise +journeys of formation and propose reduced prices for grouped commands. +Those colleagues I know who use CAS use Mathematica, several chemists +use very expensive software on workstations for representing molecules, +some biologists use expensive software to analyze data. I know only one +colleague who writes free software and distribute it on its web site. Linux is popular only at the computation center. -Best wishes, -Michel - - - - - \start -To: Michel Lavaud -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711261214h3a53a4c4od9cee5b382ee55e4@mail.gmail.com> - <87r6iczgp5.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <474BF5B8.9040506@cegetel.net> - - <474CA54D.9010002@cegetel.net> -From: Gabriel Dos Reis Date: 27 Nov 2007 18:41:44 -0600 -Cc: list - -Michel Lavaud writes: +From: Gabriel Dos Reis +To: Michel Lavaud +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +Michel Lavaud writes: [...] -| > | This trend is especially common among experimental scientists, for two reasons -| > | : first, they have lot of money so they can buy very expensive software, and -| > | second, there is an inherent uncertainty in experimental results, so they -| > | translate their tolerance to errors in experimental results toward tolerance -| > | to possible errors in commercial software, without realizing (or wanting to -| > | realize) that errors in experiment and software are of a complete different -| > | nature : error in an experimental measure is unavoidable and inherent to -| > | experimental work, while error in a software is completely avoidable since it -| > | is pure mathematics, expressed in a computer language instead of plain +| > | This trend is especially common among experimental scientists, +| > | for two reasons : first, they have lot of money so they can buy +| > | very expensive software, and second, there is an inherent +| > | uncertainty in experimental results, so they translate their +| > | tolerance to errors in experimental results toward tolerance to +| > | possible errors in commercial software, without realizing (or +| > | wanting to realize) that errors in experiment and software are +| > | of a complete different nature : error in an experimental +| > | measure is unavoidable and inherent to experimental work, while +| > | error in a software is completely avoidable since it is pure +| > | mathematics, expressed in a computer language instead of plain | > | English. -| > + | > That may be the case. In the interest of rigor and openness as you | > promote, do you have data for that scenario we could all check so that | > it does not appear to be a gratuitous anecdote? @@ -7138,32 +6051,18 @@ Michel Lavaud writes: # [...] so they translate their tolerance to errors in experimental # results toward tolerance to possible errors in commercial software --- Gaby - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:28:18 -0600 -To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs, - Alfredo Portes -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Arthur Ralfs, Alfredo Portes Subject: newhyper.pamphlet New version checked in. Everything under Topics->Functions works. -Tim - - - \start -To: Bill Page, fricas-devel , - axiom-devel , - open-axiom-devel , - Waldek Hebisch -From: Martin Rubey Date: 28 Nov 2007 08:53:56 +0100 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page, Waldek Hebisch Subject: members / parts of binarytrees Dear all, especially Bill, @@ -7171,203 +6070,97 @@ Dear all, especially Bill, I'd need members$BinaryTree right now, did you supply a patch or did you only notice? (I guess the patch is not difficult, but still...) -Martin - - - - \start Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:41:24 +0100 -From: Michel Lavaud -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, list -Message-id: <474D45D4.50001@cegetel.net> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711261214h3a53a4c4od9cee5b382ee55e4@mail.gmail.com> - <87r6iczgp5.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <474BF5B8.9040506@cegetel.net> - - <474CA54D.9010002@cegetel.net> <87k5o3p5fb.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - Gecko/20070728 Thunderbird/2.0.0.6 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 -Cc: +From: Michel Lavaud +To: Gabriel Dos Reis +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : -> Michel Lavaud writes: +> Michel Lavaud writes: > > > [...] -> -> | > | This trend is especially common among experimental scientists= -, for two reasons -> | > | : first, they have lot of money so they can buy very expensiv= -e software, and -> | > | second, there is an inherent uncertainty in experimental resu= -lts, so they -> | > | translate their tolerance to errors in experimental results t= -oward tolerance -> | > | to possible errors in commercial software, without realizing = -(or wanting to -> | > | realize) that errors in experiment and software are of a comp= -lete different -> | > | nature : error in an experimental measure is unavoidable and = -inherent to -> | > | experimental work, while error in a software is completely av= -oidable since it -> | > | is pure mathematics, expressed in a computer language instead= - of plain -> | > | English. -> | > -> | > That may be the case. In the interest of rigor and openness as= - you -> | > promote, do you have data for that scenario we could all check = -so that + +> | > | This trend is especially common among experimental scientists, +> | > | for two reasons : first, they have lot of money so they can +> | > | buy very expensive software, and second, there is an inherent +> | > | uncertainty in experimental results, so they translate their +> | > | tolerance to errors in experimental results toward tolerance +> | > | to possible errors in commercial software, without realizing +> | > | (or wanting to realize) that errors in experiment and software +> | > | are of a complete different nature : error in an experimental +> | > | measure is unavoidable and inherent to experimental work, +> | > | while error in a software is completely avoidable since it is +> | > | pure mathematics, expressed in a computer language instead of +> | > | plain English. + +> | > That may be the case. In the interest of rigor and openness as you +> | > promote, do you have data for that scenario we could all check so that > | > it does not appear to be a gratuitous anecdote? > | > > | > -> | Once again, I'm not sure I understand the question : which data w= -ould +> | Once again, I'm not sure I understand the question : which data would > | you like that "all could check" ? > -> # [...] so they translate their tolerance to errors in experiment= -al -> # results toward tolerance to possible errors in commercial softw= -are -> =20 -Ah, OK. You meant gratuitous interpretation, I suppose ? An=20 -experimentalist has to be tolerant to errors because errors are inher= -ent=20 -to experiments. In particular, for him, a possible error in a program= - is=20 -just one among _hundreds_ of other possible causes of errors. For a= -=20 -mathematician, a possible error in a program used in an article is on= -e=20 -among _zero_ other possible errors (if his proof is correct, of cours= -e,=20 +> # [...] so they translate their tolerance to errors in experimental +> # results toward tolerance to possible errors in commercial software +> +Ah, OK. You meant gratuitous interpretation, I suppose ? An +experimentalist has to be tolerant to errors because errors are inherent +to experiments. In particular, for him, a possible error in a program is +just one among _hundreds_ of other possible causes of errors. For a +mathematician, a possible error in a program used in an article is one +among _zero_ other possible errors (if his proof is correct, of course, as also the proofs of theorems his article relies on). -Best wishes, -Michel - - - - \start Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:09:58 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Michel Lavaud -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711261214h3a53a4c4od9cee5b382ee55e4@mail.gmail.com> - <87r6iczgp5.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <474BF5B8.9040506@cegetel.net> - - <474CA54D.9010002@cegetel.net> - <87k5o3p5fb.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <474D45D4.50001@cegetel.net> -Cc: list - - This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, - while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. - ---8323584-308980439-1196248198=:25380 +To: Michel Lavaud +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Michel Lavaud wrote: | Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : -| > Michel Lavaud writes: +| > Michel Lavaud writes: | > | > | > [...] -| > -| > | > | This trend is especially common among experimental scientists, = -for two -| > | > | reasons -| > | > | : first, they have lot of money so they can buy very expensive -| > | > | : software, and -| > | > | second, there is an inherent uncertainty in experimental result= -s, so -| > | > | they -| > | > | translate their tolerance to errors in experimental results tow= -ard -| > | > | tolerance -| > | > | to possible errors in commercial software, without realizing (o= -r -| > | > | wanting to -| > | > | realize) that errors in experiment and software are of a comple= -te -| > | > | different -| > | > | nature : error in an experimental measure is unavoidable and in= -herent -| > | > | to -| > | > | experimental work, while error in a software is completely avoi= -dable -| > | > | since it -| > | > | is pure mathematics, expressed in a computer language instead o= -f plain -| > | > | English. -| > | > -| > | > That may be the case. In the interest of rigor and openness as y= -ou -| > | > promote, do you have data for that scenario we could all check so= - that + +| > | > | This trend is especially common among experimental +| > | > | scientists, for two reasons : first, they have lot of money +| > | > | so they can buy very expensive : software, and second, there +| > | > | is an inherent uncertainty in experimental results, so they +| > | > | translate their tolerance to errors in experimental results +| > | > | toward tolerance to possible errors in commercial software, +| > | > | without realizing (or wanting to realize) that errors in +| > | > | experiment and software are of a complete different nature : +| > | > | error in an experimental measure is unavoidable and inherent +| > | > | to experimental work, while error in a software is +| > | > | completely avoidable since it is pure mathematics, expressed +| > | > | in a computer language instead of plain English. + +| > | > That may be the case. In the interest of rigor and openness as you +| > | > promote, do you have data for that scenario we could all check so that | > | > it does not appear to be a gratuitous anecdote? | > | > | > | > -| > | Once again, I'm not sure I understand the question : which data wou= -ld +| > | Once again, I'm not sure I understand the question : which data would | > | you like that "all could check" ? | > | > # [...] so they translate their tolerance to errors in experimental | > # results toward tolerance to possible errors in commercial software -| > =20 -| Ah, OK. You meant gratuitous interpretation, I suppose ?=20 - -Do you have factual data? =20 - - --- Gaby ---8323584-308980439-1196248198=:25380-- - +| > +| Ah, OK. You meant gratuitous interpretation, I suppose ? +Do you have factual data? \start Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:16:17 +0100 -From: Michel Lavaud -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software +From: Michel Lavaud To: Gabriel Dos Reis, list -Message-id: <474D4E01.4000806@cegetel.net> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711261214h3a53a4c4od9cee5b382ee55e4@mail.gmail.com> - <87r6iczgp5.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <474BF5B8.9040506@cegetel.net> - - <474CA54D.9010002@cegetel.net> <87k5o3p5fb.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <474D45D4.50001@cegetel.net> - Gecko/20070728 Thunderbird/2.0.0.6 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 -Cc: +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software Maybe it would be clearer to say "so they extend their tolerance" ? Sorry for my poor English :-( @@ -7384,34 +6177,11 @@ Sorry for my poor English :-( > correct, of course, as also the proofs of theorems his article relies > on). - - - \start Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:09:43 +0100 -From: Michel Lavaud -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software +From: Michel Lavaud To: Gabriel Dos Reis, list -Message-id: <474D5A87.8010403@cegetel.net> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711261214h3a53a4c4od9cee5b382ee55e4@mail.gmail.com> - <87r6iczgp5.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <474BF5B8.9040506@cegetel.net> - - <474CA54D.9010002@cegetel.net> <87k5o3p5fb.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <474D45D4.50001@cegetel.net> - - Gecko/20070728 Thunderbird/2.0.0.6 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 -Cc: - +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software > | > # [...] so they translate their tolerance to errors in experimental > | > # results toward tolerance to possible errors in commercial software @@ -7419,42 +6189,18 @@ Cc: > | Ah, OK. You meant gratuitous interpretation, I suppose ? > > Do you have factual data? -> -> + Yes, cf the chapter on error bars, in any course of physics. They usually include some examples of causes of experimental errors. For more practical examples, you can ask to any experimentalist which are the main causes of errors that he uses to determine the error bar on a particular result, in one of his experiments. -Best wishes, -Michel - - - - \start Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:11:22 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Michel Lavaud -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711261214h3a53a4c4od9cee5b382ee55e4@mail.gmail.com> - <87r6iczgp5.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <474BF5B8.9040506@cegetel.net> - - <474CA54D.9010002@cegetel.net> - <87k5o3p5fb.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <474D45D4.50001@cegetel.net> - - <474D5A87.8010403@cegetel.net> -Cc: list +To: Michel Lavaud +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Michel Lavaud wrote: @@ -7478,139 +6224,63 @@ back it up. If the latter, please make them public -- in the interest of rigor and openness as you promote. Otherwise, let's drop it and call it a day. --- Gaby - - - \start Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:13:05 -0600 (CST) From: Gabriel Dos Reis -To: Michel Lavaud -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711261214h3a53a4c4od9cee5b382ee55e4@mail.gmail.com> - <87r6iczgp5.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <474BF5B8.9040506@cegetel.net> - - <474CA54D.9010002@cegetel.net> - <87k5o3p5fb.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <474D45D4.50001@cegetel.net> - <474D4E01.4000806@cegetel.net> -Cc: list - - This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, - while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. - ---8323584-1244647903-1196251985=:25380 +To: Michel Lavaud +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Michel Lavaud wrote: -| Maybe it would be clearer to say "so they extend their tolerance" ? Sor= -ry for +| Maybe it would be clearer to say "so they extend their tolerance" ? Sorry for | my poor English :-( Tout le monde devrait parler fran=E7ais, n'est-ce pas ? ;-) --- Gaby ---8323584-1244647903-1196251985=:25380-- - - - \start Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:27:13 +0100 -From: Michel Lavaud -Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical - Software -To: Gabriel Dos Reis, list -Message-id: <474D7AC1.7070604@cegetel.net> -MIME-version: 1.0 - <85e81ba30711181332r5d4b82desef87abdabfeedf5b@mail.gmail.com> - <4749F3BB.1080408@yahoo.com> - <85e81ba30711251658k7735ed0dl111069ad4532cc61@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260354.lAQ3s3902943@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711251949y1d803ea7wcc401cef939fe05d@mail.gmail.com> - <200711260820.lAQ8KUh03040@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711252345r1041dba2yf7b4ca716e27c15f@mail.gmail.com> - <200711261801.lAQI1X203517@localhost.localdomain> - <85e81ba30711261214h3a53a4c4od9cee5b382ee55e4@mail.gmail.com> - <87r6iczgp5.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> <474BF5B8.9040506@cegetel.net> - - <474CA54D.9010002@cegetel.net> <87k5o3p5fb.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu> - <474D45D4.50001@cegetel.net> - - <474D5A87.8010403@cegetel.net> - - Gecko/20070728 Thunderbird/2.0.0.6 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 -Cc: +From: Michel Lavaud +Subject: re: AMS Notices: Open Source Mathematical Software +To: Gabriel Dos Reis Gabriel Dos Reis a =E9crit : > On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Michel Lavaud wrote: > -> |=20 -> | > | > # [...] so they translate their tolerance to errors in expe= -rimental -> | > | > # results toward tolerance to possible errors in commercial= - software -> | > | > =20 -> | > | Ah, OK. You meant gratuitous interpretation, I suppose ?=20 +> | +> | > | > # [...] so they translate their tolerance to errors in experimental +> | > | > # results toward tolerance to possible errors in commercial software +> | > | > +> | > | Ah, OK. You meant gratuitous interpretation, I suppose ? > | > -> | > Do you have factual data? =20 +> | > Do you have factual data? > | > -> | > =20 +> | > > | Yes, cf the chapter on error bars, in any course of physics. > -> Please, don't pretend you don't understand my question and answer o= -ne -> I'm not interested in. =20 -> -> You made a specific strong statement -- still quoted above. Either= -, -> it was a pure speculation from your part, or you have factual data = -to -> back it up. If the latter, please make them public -- in the inter= -est -> of rigor and openness as you promote.=20 -I am very sorry but I don't understand at all what kind of "factual= -=20 -data" you want me to provide, if it's not estimates about software us= -ed,=20 -or causes of errors in experiments. I gave my interpretation about= -=20 -reactions I got from colleagues, in discussions that occurred along m= -any=20 -years. If you don't agree with my interpretation, that's perfectly OK= -=20 -for me. Just next time, please try to explain more precisely what you= -=20 -mean, if you want precise answers. Your questions are too sketchy for= - me=20 +> Please, don't pretend you don't understand my question and answer one +> I'm not interested in. +> +> You made a specific strong statement -- still quoted above. Either, +> it was a pure speculation from your part, or you have factual data to +> back it up. If the latter, please make them public -- in the interest +> of rigor and openness as you promote. +I am very sorry but I don't understand at all what kind of "factual +data" you want me to provide, if it's not estimates about software used, +or causes of errors in experiments. I gave my interpretation about +reactions I got from colleagues, in discussions that occurred along many +years. If you don't agree with my interpretation, that's perfectly OK +for me. Just next time, please try to explain more precisely what you +mean, if you want precise answers. Your questions are too sketchy for me to understand. > Otherwise, let's drop it Yes, please. -Best wishes, -Michel - - - - \start Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:08:48 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey - -Cc: fricas-devel , - open-axiom-devel , - axiom-devel , - Waldek Hebisch -Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: members / parts of - binarytrees +Cc: Waldek Hebisch +Subject: Re: Re: members / parts of binarytrees On 11/28/07, Waldek Hebisch wrote: > @@ -7640,16 +6310,10 @@ would like this definition: members(t) == map(value,nodes t) -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:22:23 -0600 +From: Tim Daly To: list -Cc: Subject: 20071129.01.tpd.patch This patch sets up the mathml fonts needed to display the new hyperdoc @@ -7671,28 +6335,18 @@ new file mode 100644 index 0000000..4202e32 Binary files /dev/null and b/zips/axiomfonts.tgz differ - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 02:28:42 -0600 -To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs, - Alfredo Portes -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Arthur Ralfs, Alfredo Portes Subject: newhyper.pamphlet topics -> solving equations is complete and has been checked in. -Tim - - - \start -To: Bill Page, axiom-devel , - fricas-devel , open-axiom-devel@lists.s -From: Martin Rubey Date: 29 Nov 2007 11:52:51 +0100 -Cc: +From: Martin Rubey +To: Bill Page Subject: wiki vandalism Dear Bill, * @@ -7710,17 +6364,10 @@ users. I really wonder how wikipedia deals with that sort of vandalism. -Martin - - - - \start Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:45:44 -0500 From: Bill Page To: Martin Rubey -Cc: axiom-devel , open-axiom-devel@lists.s, - fricas-devel Subject: Re: wiki vandalism On 29 Nov 2007 11:52:51 +0100, Martin Rubey wrote: @@ -7752,16 +6399,10 @@ I agree that spam is becoming a bit of a problem here. Ok, I have enabled the 'edits_need_username' option on Axiom Wiki. That should help the spam problem. -Regards, -Bill Page. - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:49:40 -0600 -To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Arthur Ralfs Subject: bug 7018: mathml does not render "failed" properly limit(x*log(x),x=0) @@ -7770,15 +6411,10 @@ limit(x*log(x),x=0) should be [leftHandLimit="failed",rightHandLimit=0] -Tim - - - \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:17:37 -0600 -To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Arthur Ralfs Subject: bug 7019: mathml does not render F,3 properly bug 7019: mathml does not render F,3 properly diff --git a/book/2007-12.txt b/book/2007-12.txt index 350f55a..7669d0f 100644 --- a/book/2007-12.txt +++ b/book/2007-12.txt @@ -1,25 +1,17 @@ \start -From: Tim Daly Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 00:16:47 -0600 -To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs, - Alfredo Portes -Cc: list +From: Tim Daly +To: Arthur Ralfs, Alfredo Portes Subject: newhyper.pamphlet Revision 50 checked in. Topics->Calculus complete 
 is now a better font size
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 03:17:42 -0600
-To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs,
-	Alfredo Portes
-Cc: list
+From: Tim Daly
+To: Arthur Ralfs, Alfredo Portes
 Subject: newhyper.pamphlet, axserver.spad.pamphlet
 
 I've checked in a changed newhyper.pamphlet and a new file
@@ -38,17 +30,11 @@ to generate web pages.
 The good news is that this is the last known "technical" hurdle for
 completely replacing hyperdoc with firefox. Now it is simply more rote work.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
-
 \start
+Date: 03 Dec 2007 11:39:10 -0500
+From: Camm Maguire
 To: Tim Daly
 Subject: Re: November 2007 source tarball
-From: Camm Maguire
-Date: 03 Dec 2007 11:39:10 -0500
-Cc: list
 
 Congratulaions, Tim!
 
@@ -81,32 +67,12 @@ Tim Daly writes:
 >  or
 > 
 > as soon as the new website details get settled.
-> 
-> Tim
-> 
-> 
-> _______________________________________________
-> Axiom-developer mailing list
-> list
-> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer
-> 
-> 
-> 
-
--- 
-Camm Maguire			     			Camm Maguire
-==========================================================================
-"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens."  --  Baha'u'llah
-
-
 
 \start
-To: Alexei Sheplyakov 
-From: Camm Maguire
 Date: 03 Dec 2007 17:32:22 -0500
-Cc: list, 407109@bugs.debian.org, control@bugs.debian.org
-Subject: Re: Bug#407109: axiom: loops forever while
-	)read'ing expression
+From: Camm Maguire
+To: Alexei Sheplyakov
+Subject: Re: Bug#407109: axiom: loops forever while )read'ing expression
 
 forwarded 407109 list
 thanks
@@ -116,7 +82,7 @@ axiom be able to handle expressions of this size?
 
 Take care,
 
-Alexei Sheplyakov  writes:
+Alexei Sheplyakov writes:
 
 > Package: axiom
 > Version: 20050901-9
@@ -283,18 +249,10 @@ Alexei Sheplyakov  writes:
 > All science is either physics or stamp collecting.
 > 
 
--- 
-Camm Maguire			     			Camm Maguire
-==========================================================================
-"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens."  --  Baha'u'llah
-
-
-
 \start
-To: Frederic Lehobey
-From: Camm Maguire
 Date: 03 Dec 2007 17:39:53 -0500
-Cc: list, control@bugs.debian.org, 231800@bugs.debian.org
+From: Camm Maguire
+To: Frederic Lehobey
 Subject: Re: Bug#231800: axiom: )edit command broken
 
 forwarded 231800 list
@@ -309,45 +267,45 @@ Frederic Lehobey writes:
 > Package: axiom
 > Version: 0.20040128-3
 > Severity: normal
->=20
+>
 > The command )show is broken (see below).  Moreover, even if the
 > /usr/lib/axiom-0.20040128/lib/SPADEDIT was set, the path would still
 > be incorrect:
->=20
+>
 >   /usr/lib/axiom-0.20040128/../../src/algebra/BASTYPE.spad
->=20
+>
 > should actually be
->=20
+>
 >   /usr/lib/axiom-0.20040128/src/algebra/catdef.spad .
->=20
+>
 > Thanks,
 > Frederic
 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ an axiom session ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 > (1) -> )show BASTYPE
 >  BasicType  is a category constructor
->  Abbreviation for BasicType is BASTYPE=20
+>  Abbreviation for BasicType is BASTYPE
 >  This constructor is exposed in this frame.
 >  Issue )edit /usr/lib/axiom-0.20040128/../../src/algebra/BASTYPE.spad to=
-=20
-> see algebra source code for BASTYPE=20
->=20
+
+> see algebra source code for BASTYPE
+>
 > ------------------------------- Operations ------------------------------=
 --
->  ?=3D? : (%,%) -> Boolean                ?~=3D? : (%,%) -> Boolean
->=20
+>  ?=? : (%,%) -> Boolean                ?~=? : (%,%) -> Boolean
+>
 > (1) -> )edit /usr/lib/axiom-0.20040128/../../src/algebra/BASTYPE.spad
-> sh: line 1: /usr/lib/axiom-0.20040128/lib/SPADEDIT: Aucun fichier ou=20
+> sh: line 1: /usr/lib/axiom-0.20040128/lib/SPADEDIT: Aucun fichier ou
 > r=C3=A9pertoire de ce type
->=20
->=20
+>
+>
 > -- System Information:
 > Debian Release: testing/unstable
 >   APT prefers unstable
 >   APT policy: (500, 'unstable')
 > Architecture: powerpc (ppc)
 > Kernel: Linux 2.4.22-powerpc
-> Locale: LANG=3Dfr_FR@euro.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=3Dfr_FR@euro.UTF-8
->=20
+> Locale: LANG=fr_FR@euro.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=fr_FR@euro.UTF-8
+>
 > Versions of packages axiom depends on:
 > ii  libc6                     2.3.2.ds1-11   GNU C Library: Shared librar=
 ies an
@@ -357,78 +315,46 @@ brary
 l hand
 > ii  libreadline4              4.3-10         GNU readline and history lib=
 raries
->=20
+>
 > -- debconf information:
 > perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
 > perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
-> 	LANGUAGE =3D (unset),
-> 	LC_ALL =3D (unset),
-> 	LANG =3D "fr_FR@euro.UTF-8"
+> 	LANGUAGE = (unset),
+> 	LC_ALL = (unset),
+> 	LANG = "fr_FR@euro.UTF-8"
 >     are supported and installed on your system.
 > perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
 > locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
 > locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directo=
 ry
 > locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
->=20
->=20
->=20
->=20
->=20
-
---=20
-Camm Maguire			     			Camm Maguire
-=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
-=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
-=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
-"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens."  --  Baha'u'llah
-
-
 
 \start
 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:51:34 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Camm Maguire
-	on 03 Dec 2007 17:32:22 -0500)
-	<54k5nve7ex.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com>
-Cc: varg@theor.jinr.ru, list, 407109@bugs.debian.org,
-	control@bugs.debian.org
-Subject: Re: Bug#407109: axiom: loops forever while
-	)read'ing expression
+Cc: Alexei Sheplyakov
+Subject: Re: Bug#407109: axiom: loops forever while )read'ing expression
 
 I get a "missing mate" error on the input.
 
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:02:13 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Camm Maguire
-	on 03 Dec 2007 17:32:22 -0500)
-	<54k5nve7ex.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com>
-Cc: varg@theor.jinr.ru, list, 407109@bugs.debian.org,
-	control@bugs.debian.org
-Subject: Re: Bug#407109: axiom: loops forever while
-	)read'ing expression
+Subject: Re: Bug#407109: axiom: loops forever while )read'ing expression
+Cc: Alexei Sheplyakov
 
 This isn't a "large" expression for Axiom. 
 I've generated larger so I think Axiom can certainly handle it.
 I'm checking a later version (the one on Debian is from 2005)
 
-Tim
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:53:56 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Camm Maguire
-	on 03 Dec 2007 17:39:53 -0500)
-	<54fxyje72e.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com>
-Cc: list, Frederic Lehobey,
-	control@bugs.debian.org, 231800@bugs.debian.org
 Subject: Re: Bug#231800: axiom: )edit command broken
+Cc: Frederic Lehobey
 
 I've never used the )edit command since I always run Axiom in
 an emacs buffer.
@@ -440,17 +366,12 @@ need to get the correct sourcefile information.
 It might happen by the weekend but won't show up in Gold until the
 January release. It'll be in silver shortly after it works.
 
-Tim
-
-
 
 \start
-Subject: re: Bug#407109: axiom: loops forever while
-	)read'ing expression
-To: Camm Maguire
 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:26:13 +0100 (CET)
 From: Waldek Hebisch
-Cc: list
+To: Camm Maguire
+Subject: re: Bug#407109: axiom: loops forever while )read'ing expression
 
 Camm Maguire wrote:
 > Tim -- don't know whether to laugh or cry about this one -- should
@@ -458,7 +379,7 @@ Camm Maguire wrote:
 > 
 > Take care,
 > 
-> Alexei Sheplyakov  writes:
+> Alexei Sheplyakov writes:
 > 
 > > I've tried to )read quite a simple expression (available at
 > > http://theor.jinr.ru/~varg/web/misc/dia_142.input.gz). However
@@ -516,43 +437,23 @@ Another problem is that gcd computations take quite a lot of
 time (it seems that other systems can compute gcd 10-100
 times faster).
 
--- 
-                              Waldek Hebisch
-Waldek Hebisch 
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:42:19 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Camm Maguire
-	on 03 Dec 2007 17:32:22 -0500)
-	<54k5nve7ex.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com>
-Cc: varg@theor.jinr.ru, list, 407109@bugs.debian.org,
-	control@bugs.debian.org
-Subject: Re: Bug#407109: axiom: loops forever while
-	)read'ing expression
-
-Camm,
+Subject: Re: Bug#407109: axiom: loops forever while )read'ing expression
+Cc: Alexei Sheplyakov
 
 I broke the original assignment into 16 smaller assignments and am
 able to read the 16 terms. However, attempting to multiply the terms
 together generates intermediate expressions that are too large for
 memory.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
-To: Waldek Hebisch
-Subject: re: Bug#407109: axiom: loops forever while
-	)read'ing expression
-From: Camm Maguire
 Date: 04 Dec 2007 16:05:22 -0500
-Cc: list
-
-Greetings!
+From: Camm Maguire
+To: Waldek Hebisch
+Subject: re: Bug#407109: axiom: loops forever while )read'ing expression
 
 Waldek Hebisch writes:
 
@@ -562,7 +463,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes:
 > > 
 > > Take care,
 > > 
-> > Alexei Sheplyakov  writes:
+> > Alexei Sheplyakov writes:
 > > 
 > > > I've tried to )read quite a simple expression (available at
 > > > http://theor.jinr.ru/~varg/web/misc/dia_142.input.gz). However
@@ -627,29 +528,11 @@ fixnums or smaller?  2.7.0 has about a 2x improvement here, another
 faster than clisp.  I'm obviously interested in any factor of 10 or
 100 that might be available -- any details here?
 
-Take care,
-
-> -- 
->                               Waldek Hebisch
-> Waldek Hebisch 
-> 
-> 
-> 
-
--- 
-Camm Maguire			     			Camm Maguire
-==========================================================================
-"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens."  --  Baha'u'llah
-
-
-
 \start
-Subject: re: Bug#407109: axiom: loops forever while
-	)read'ing expression
-To: Camm Maguire
 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 23:13:34 +0100 (CET)
 From: Waldek Hebisch
-Cc: list
+To: Camm Maguire
+Subject: re: Bug#407109: axiom: loops forever while )read'ing expression
 
 Camm Maguire wrote:
 > Greetings!
@@ -699,19 +582,12 @@ to speed up Axiom is to move some core computations down to Lisp or
 C level.  In longer term improved Spad compiler could in principle
 generate efficient Lisp code...
 
--- 
-                              Waldek Hebisch
-Waldek Hebisch 
-
-
-
 \start
-Subject: Re: bug 7016 mathml display of %%var is wrong
-To: Tim Daly
 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:17:02 +0100 (CET)
 From: Waldek Hebisch
-Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com,
-	Arthur Ralfs Arthur Ralfs
+To: Tim Daly
+Subject: Re: bug 7016 mathml display of %%var is wrong
+Cc: Arthur Ralfs
 
 Tim Daly wrote:
 > Arthur,
@@ -744,20 +620,12 @@ The following should fix the problem (removes percent eater):
          len > 1 and digit? str.1 => concat ["",str,""] -- should handle floats
  	-- presumably this is a literal string
 
-
--- 
-                              Waldek Hebisch
-Waldek Hebisch 
-
-
-
 \start
-Subject: Re: bug 7014: mathml parsing bug
-To: Tim Daly
 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:21:14 +0100 (CET)
 From: Waldek Hebisch
-Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com,
-	Arthur Ralfs Arthur Ralfs
+To: Tim Daly
+Subject: Re: bug 7014: mathml parsing bug
+Cc: Arthur Ralfs
 
 Tim Daly wrote:
 > Arthur,
@@ -797,23 +665,12 @@ The following should fix this:
      formatMml(expr : E,prec : I) ==
        i,len : Integer
 
-
--- 
-                              Waldek Hebisch
-Waldek Hebisch 
-
-
-
 \start
-To: Tim Daly
-	<54k5nve7ex.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com>
-	<200712041442.lB4EgJd16491@localhost.localdomain>
-From: Camm Maguire
 Date: 05 Dec 2007 09:17:35 -0500
-Cc: varg@theor.jinr.ru, list, 407109@bugs.debian.org,
-	control@bugs.debian.org
-Subject: Re: Bug#407109: axiom: loops forever while
-	)read'ing expression
+From: Camm Maguire
+To: Tim Daly
+Cc: Alexei Sheplyakov
+Subject: Re: Bug#407109: axiom: loops forever while )read'ing expression
 
 Greetings, and thanks Tim!  Does this mean that there is an issue with
 the original "missing mate" error on the unbroken expression?
@@ -832,33 +689,13 @@ Tim Daly writes:
 > able to read the 16 terms. However, attempting to multiply the terms
 > together generates intermediate expressions that are too large for
 > memory.
-> 
-> Tim
-> 
-> 
-> 
-> 
-> 
-
--- 
-Camm Maguire			     			Camm Maguire
-==========================================================================
-"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens."  --  Baha'u'llah
-
-
 
 \start
 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:16:00 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Camm Maguire
-	on 05 Dec 2007 09:17:35 -0500)
-	<54k5nve7ex.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com>
-	<200712041442.lB4EgJd16491@localhost.localdomain>
-	<54prxlgr9c.fsf@intech19.enhanced.com>
-Cc: varg@theor.jinr.ru, list, control@bugs.debian.org,
-	407109@bugs.debian.org
-Subject: Re: Bug#407109: axiom: loops forever while
-	)read'ing expression
+Subject: Re: Bug#407109: axiom: loops forever while )read'ing expression
+Cc: Alexei Sheplyakov
 
 >Greetings, and thanks Tim!  Does this mean that there is an issue with
 >the original "missing mate" error on the unbroken expression?
@@ -892,29 +729,21 @@ that is both portable and useful for things like Sage. The code and
 pages I'm developing should work for all three systems. But as a
 side-effect, I have no time to look into the gcd issues.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:17:14 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Waldek Hebisch
-	Hebisch on Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:21:14 +0100 (CET))
 Subject: Re: bug 7014: mathml parsing bug
-Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com,
-	Arthur Ralfs
+Cc: Arthur Ralfs
 
 Thanks. I'll apply those patches this evening. -- Tim
 
-
-
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:14:17 -0600
+From: Tim Daly
 To: list
-Cc: Arthur Ralfs Arthur Ralfs
 Subject: 20071205.01.tpd.patch
+Cc: Arthur Ralfs
 
 This patch contains two posted bug fixes by Waldek for mathml.
 
@@ -999,13 +828,10 @@ index f704c76..e5eaaf7 100644
          len > 1 and digit? str.1 => concat ["",str,""] -- should handle floats
  	-- presumably this is a literal string
 
-
-
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:53:14 -0600
+From: Tim Daly
 To: list
-Cc: 
 Subject: 20071206.01.tpd.patch (bug 7020)
 
 Find the correct sourcefile and source line for any constructor or abbrev.
@@ -1104,15 +930,11 @@ index e0c20a7..ccf699b 100644
      (print (squeeze (database-constructorform struct)) out)
      (finish-output out)
 
-
-
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 02:35:18 -0600
-To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs
-Cc: list
-Subject: mathml bug 7021: vertical bar is not implemented
-	properly
+From: Tim Daly
+To: Arthur Ralfs
+Subject: mathml bug 7021: vertical bar is not implemented properly
 
 bug 7021: vertical bar is not implemented properly.
 
@@ -1127,14 +949,10 @@ eigenvalues(m1)
      [5,%DA ? %DA  - %DA - 5]
             ?
 
-
-
-
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 20:57:16 -0600
-To: "Willaim Stein" William Stein
-Cc: list
+From: Tim Daly
+To: William Stein
 Subject: 3D graphics in Sage
 
 William,
@@ -1148,17 +966,10 @@ would be possible to embed the 3D postscript output in a Sage session.
 
 I can give you more information if you are interested.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
-
-
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 22:03:14 -0600
+From: Tim Daly
 To: list
-Cc: 
 Subject: Interesting quote
 
 Sage hit slashdot (and slashdot it back, I'm sure).
@@ -1195,17 +1006,10 @@ types of text. And no TeX is not it. TeX only helps to typeset math to
 make it look pretty. It doesn't make witting math on a computer easier
 than writing it by hand.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
-
-
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 22:58:54 -0600
-To: "Willaim Stein" William Stein
-Cc: list
+From: Tim Daly
+To: William Stein
 Subject: Web pages
 
 I'm not sure if this is of interest to Sage but Axiom will soon
@@ -1220,16 +1024,11 @@ Does Sage include some way to (a) start a process to listen
 and (b) visit a URL? It seems that both of these tasks should be
 trivial in Sage.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 23:54:45 -0800
 From: Ed Borasky
 To: Tim Daly
 Subject: Re: Interesting quote
-Cc: list
 
 Tim Daly wrote:
 > Sage hit slashdot (and slashdot it back, I'm sure).
@@ -1319,26 +1118,11 @@ communities behind them, and they do what *I* need to get done. They may
 fall flat on their face for theoretical mathematicians -- I'm not one of 
 them, so I wouldn't have the faintest idea what their work flows or 
 thought processes are.
-> 
-> Tim
-> 
-> 
-> 
-> 
-> _______________________________________________
-> Axiom-developer mailing list
-> list
-> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer
-> 
-
-
-
 
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:22:42 -0600
+From: Tim Daly
 To: list
-Cc: 
 Subject: 20071208.01.tpd.patch
 
 This patch is part of the browser-based hyperdoc work.
@@ -2002,15 +1786,10 @@ index 0b264bf..3c217d0 100644
 +    (t
 +     (setf (char result j) (char str i)))))))
  
-
-
-
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:42:27 -0600
-To: "Willaim Stein" William Stein, "David Joyner" David Joyner,
-	Bill Page
-Cc: list
+From: Tim Daly
+To: William Stein, David Joyner, Bill Page
 Subject: Axiom and Sage
 
 Having downloaded the Sage vmware image and done a 
@@ -2028,16 +1807,12 @@ we cooperate on various things they are not the same.
 Please use the name "Axiom"  when using Axiom in Sage
 and "Fricas" when using Fricas in Sage. 
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:01:35 -0800
-From: "William Stein" William Stein
-To: Tim Daly, sage-devel@googlegroups.com
-Cc: David Joyner, list
+From: William Stein
+To: Tim Daly
 Subject: Re: Axiom and Sage
+Cc: David Joyner
 
 On Dec 9, 2007 10:42 AM,  Tim Daly wrote:
 > Having downloaded the Sage vmware image and done a
@@ -2070,29 +1845,13 @@ Let me know if any other issues arise with Sage.
 >
 > Please use the name "Axiom"  when using Axiom in Sage
 > and "Fricas" when using Fricas in Sage.
->
-> Tim
->
-
-
-
--- 
-William Stein
-Associate Professor of Mathematics
-University of Washington
-http://wstein.org
-
-
 
 \start
 Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:00:23 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: William Stein
-	(William Stein)
-	<85e81ba30712091101j1a9bfeb6r6594a8cb1ca2deb1@mail.gmail.com>
-Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, Arthur Ralfs Arthur Ralfs,
-	David Joyner, list
 Subject: Re: Axiom and Sage
+Cc: Arthur Ralfs, David Joyner
 
 >The main plus of this packaging for sage is that it builds from
 >source quickly (in a few minutes) using precompiled clisp files.
@@ -2150,19 +1909,10 @@ actually worked.  Axiom uses Arch, CVS, SVN, and git but I shadow the
 other systems from the git master. Git has changed the way I work which
 is not something that happens often, given that I'm an old curmudgeon.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:25:44 -0800
-From: "William Stein" William Stein
-To: Tim Daly, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, David Joyner, 
-	Bill Page, list, 
-	Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs
-	<85e81ba30712091101j1a9bfeb6r6594a8cb1ca2deb1@mail.gmail.com>
-	<200712092100.lB9L0Ng27404@localhost.localdomain>
-Cc: 
+From: William Stein
+To: Tim Daly, David Joyner, Bill Page, Arthur Ralfs
 Subject: Re: Axiom and Sage
 
 On Dec 9, 2007 1:00 PM, Tim Daly wrote:
@@ -2267,48 +2017,30 @@ See this page on the GIT website (hence possibly skewed in their favor):
 In any case, Mercurial is plenty fast for the needs of Sage, and the code
 of mercurial is easy to read and understand if need be.
 
- -- William
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:39:31 -0800
 From: Arthur Ralfs
-Subject: re: Axiom and Sage
 To: list
-Message-id: <475C7CB3.40402@shaw.ca>
-MIME-version: 1.0
-	<85e81ba30712091101j1a9bfeb6r6594a8cb1ca2deb1@mail.gmail.com>
-	<200712092100.lB9L0Ng27404@localhost.localdomain>
-	<85e81ba30712091225j22744a92y414afef54bcc60de@mail.gmail.com>
-	recognized.
+Subject: re: Axiom and Sage
 
 William Stein wrote:
 > Two points:
 >   (1) "All Axiom needs is a mathml enabled browser with the correct fonts."
 >    This is a nontrivial assumption to make. E.g., I have this on none of
 > my web browsers and mathml doesn't ship with browsers yet.
->   
-Mathml ships with Firefox although you have to install some extra fonts
-to get
-it to render properly.   There has been some discussion recently about the
-STIXfonts on the mozilla mathml mailing list.  Possibly in the near
-future it
-won't be necessary to install extra fonts.
-
-Arthur Ralfs
-
-
+   
+Mathml ships with Firefox although you have to install some extra
+fonts to get it to render properly.  There has been some discussion
+recently about the STIXfonts on the mozilla mathml mailing list.
+Possibly in the near future it won't be necessary to install extra
+fonts.
 
 \start
 Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:57:38 -0800
 From: Ed Borasky
 To: Tim Daly
 Subject: re: Axiom and Sage
-	<200712092100.lB9L0Ng27404@localhost.localdomain>
-	recognized.
-Cc: William Stein, David Joyner, sage-devel@googlegroups.com,
-	Arthur Ralfs Arthur Ralfs, list
+Cc: William Stein, David Joyner, Arthur Ralfs
 
 root wrote:
 >> The main plus of this packaging for sage is that it builds from
@@ -2330,14 +2062,12 @@ monitor tool (Task Manager on Windows or "top" on Linux) show the
 virtual machine is doing? You'll see a process at the top of the list 
 named something like "vmware-vmx".
 
-
-
 \start
-Subject: re: Axiom and Sage
-To: Tim Daly
 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:53:12 +0100 (CET)
 From: Waldek Hebisch
-Cc: William Stein, David Joyner, list
+To: Tim Daly
+Subject: re: Axiom and Sage
+Cc: William Stein, David Joyner
 
 Tim Daly wote:
 > >The main plus of this packaging for sage is that it builds from
@@ -2364,19 +2094,10 @@ This clisp behaviour can be disabled (and newer versions of
 FriCAS do this), but IIRC the current Sage package uses
 old FriCAS version which has this problem.
 
--- 
-                              Waldek Hebisch
-Waldek Hebisch 
-
-
-
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:49:31 -0600
-To: "Willaim Stein" William Stein,
-	Waldek Hebisch,
-	"Sage" 
-Cc: list
+From: Tim Daly
+To: William Stein, Waldek Hebisch
 Subject: Axiom and Sage
 
 Well,per your request, I logged in to the Sage VM and did
@@ -2396,23 +2117,14 @@ could be due to the large amount of screen output.
 
 Apparently the package rename didn't work.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
-
 \start
-To: "William Stein" William Stein
-Subject: re: Axiom and Sage
-	<85e81ba30712091101j1a9bfeb6r6594a8cb1ca2deb1@mail.gmail.com>
-	<200712092100.lB9L0Ng27404@localhost.localdomain>
-	<85e81ba30712091225j22744a92y414afef54bcc60de@mail.gmail.com>
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 10 Dec 2007 08:25:00 +0100
-Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, Arthur Ralfs Arthur Ralfs,
-	David Joyner, list
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: William Stein
+Subject: re: Axiom and Sage
+Cc: Arthur Ralfs, David Joyner
 
-"William Stein" William Stein writes:
+William Stein writes:
 
 >   (2) jsmath looks identical to tex, since it is 100% implementation of the
 > tex layout engine.
@@ -2427,25 +2139,15 @@ I used it to demonstrate that Axioms current documentation (which is written in
 a subset/variant of LaTeX) can be brought to the browser directly.  As far as I
 know, Tim et al. rewrote the documentation into html by hand.
 
-Martin
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:32:52 -0800
-From: "William Stein" William Stein
+From: William Stein
 To: Martin Rubey
 Subject: re: Axiom and Sage
-	<85e81ba30712091101j1a9bfeb6r6594a8cb1ca2deb1@mail.gmail.com>
-	<200712092100.lB9L0Ng27404@localhost.localdomain>
-	<85e81ba30712091225j22744a92y414afef54bcc60de@mail.gmail.com>
-	<9q63z7roz7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, Arthur Ralfs Arthur Ralfs,
-	David Joyner, list
+Cc: Arthur Ralfs, David Joyner
 
 On 10 Dec 2007 08:25:00 +0100, Martin Rubey wrote:
-> "William Stein" William Stein writes:
+> William Stein writes:
 >
 > >   (2) jsmath looks identical to tex, since it is 100% implementation of the
 > > tex layout engine.
@@ -2467,31 +2169,22 @@ it uses unicode.  It can also use server-side bitmaped fonts.
 That sounds cool and potentially very useful in order to attempt to
 avoid latex2html.
 
-> I used it to demonstrate that Axioms current documentation (which is written in
-> a subset/variant of LaTeX) can be brought to the browser directly.  As far as I
-> know, Tim et al. rewrote the documentation into html by hand.
-
- -- William
-
-
+> I used it to demonstrate that Axioms current documentation (which is
+> written in a subset/variant of LaTeX) can be brought to the browser
+> directly.  As far as I know, Tim et al. rewrote the documentation
+> into html by hand.
 
 \start
-To: "William Stein" William Stein
-Subject: re: Axiom and Sage
-	<85e81ba30712091101j1a9bfeb6r6594a8cb1ca2deb1@mail.gmail.com>
-	<200712092100.lB9L0Ng27404@localhost.localdomain>
-	<85e81ba30712091225j22744a92y414afef54bcc60de@mail.gmail.com>
-	<9q63z7roz7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<85e81ba30712092332j6003f77eqf20335caa1df2ddb@mail.gmail.com>
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 10 Dec 2007 08:42:55 +0100
-Cc: sage-devel@googlegroups.com, Arthur Ralfs Arthur Ralfs,
-	David Joyner, list
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: William Stein
+Subject: re: Axiom and Sage
+Cc: Arthur Ralfs, David Joyner
 
-"William Stein" William Stein writes:
+William Stein writes:
 
 > On 10 Dec 2007 08:25:00 +0100, Martin Rubey wrote:
-> > "William Stein" William Stein writes:
+> > William Stein writes:
 > >
 > > >   (2) jsmath looks identical to tex, since it is 100% implementation of the
 > > > tex layout engine.
@@ -2528,17 +2221,12 @@ I guess, however, that there is a speed penalty.  My idea of using it was to
 have all the documentation written in LaTeX, transform it with tex4ht at build
 time or when needed, and cache it.
 
-Martin
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:51:25 +0100
 From: Ondrej Certik
 To: Tim Daly
 Subject: Re: 3D graphics in Sage
-Cc: Willaim Stein William Stein, list
+Cc: William Stein
 
 On Dec 9, 2007 3:57 AM,  Tim Daly wrote:
 > William,
@@ -2565,21 +2253,10 @@ of the program?
 
 Ondrej
 
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:19:34 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
-To: sage-devel@googlegroups.com
-	(William Stein)
-	
-	<85e81ba30712101024r70b1f64fh1061171f305e365f@mail.gmail.com>
-	<2ea1ace50712101107t58ad4bd6t9dd0594df306e4e6@mail.gmail.com>
-	<200712102039.lBAKd1g28376@localhost.localdomain>
-	<85e81ba30712101157j74a8aa3cr53fc71a2549a0a2c@mail.gmail.com>
-	<85b5c3130712101212h467335b4p5fb87ffc514c8619@mail.gmail.com>
-	<85e81ba30712101228j6146a279k4182bdde6831aed2@mail.gmail.com>
-Cc: list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com
+To: list
 Subject: Re: [sage-devel] Re: Fwd: SAGE
 
 >Re-reading Tim's post I think you're right, and that I misunderstood
@@ -2628,15 +2305,10 @@ other primary tasks of computational mathematics.
 If the mathematics isn't documented then the job falls on your desk.
 Good luck with that.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:06:17 -0800 (PST)
 From: Cliff Yapp
 To: list
-	10.2-10.4) (2)
 Subject: Building silver git tree on Gentoo
 
 Hi all.  I just tried building the silver tree on Gentoo,and ran into
@@ -2696,21 +2368,11 @@ xpm.h is in /usr/include/X11/xpm.h, and the libs themselves are:
 /usr/lib/libXpm.so.4 -> libXpm.so.4.11.0
 /usr/lib/libXpm.so.4.11.0
 
-
-
-
-      ____________________________________________________________________________________
-Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page. 
-http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:49:28 -0800
 From: Ed Borasky
 To: Cliff Yapp
-Subject: Re: Building silver git tree on Gentoo
-	recognized.
+Subject: Re: Building silver git tree on Gentoo recognized.
 Cc: list
 
 C Y wrote:
@@ -2771,19 +2433,6 @@ C Y wrote:
 > /usr/lib/libXpm.so.4 -> libXpm.so.4.11.0
 > /usr/lib/libXpm.so.4.11.0
 > 
-> 
-> 
-> 
->       ____________________________________________________________________________________
-> Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page. 
-> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
-> 
-> 
-> _______________________________________________
-> Axiom-developer mailing list
-> list
-> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer
-> 
 
 Thanks for reminding me -- now that there are actual tarballs, I need to 
 bug the Gentoo folks about updating the ebuild -- they're still running 
@@ -2795,15 +2444,10 @@ update go by not too long ago -- maybe something moved??
 
 I'll see if I can reproduce this.
 
-
-
 \start
 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:27:08 -0500
 From: Bill Page
 To: Martin Rubey
-Cc: fricas-devel ,
-	open-axiom-devel ,
-	list
 Subject: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues
 
 On 12 Dec 2007 20:47:50 +0100, Martin Rubey wrote:
@@ -2873,60 +2517,26 @@ As usual, there remains a lot of work to do to update the axiom-wiki.
 I would like to encourage anyone who has some motivations to improve
 this site to "jump in" and make a contribution!
 
-Regards,
-Bill Page.
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:20:43 -0800 (PST)
 From: Cliff Yapp
+To: Cliff Yapp
 Subject: Re: Building silver git tree on Gentoo
-To: Cliff Yapp, list
-	10.2-10.4) (2)
-Cc: 
 
 OK, it looks like inserting -lXpm into a couple make files did it - I'm
 not sure yet however where the "correct" place in the Gentoo makefiles
 to add that section is.
 
-CY
-
-
-      ____________________________________________________________________________________
-Be a better friend, newshound, and 
-know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.  Try it now.  http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ 
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:13:58 -0800
 From: Ed Borasky
 To: Cliff Yapp
-Subject: Re: Building silver git tree on Gentoo
-	recognized.
-Cc: list
+Subject: Re: Building silver git tree on Gentoo	recognized.
 
 C Y wrote:
 > OK, it looks like inserting -lXpm into a couple make files did it - I'm
 > not sure yet however where the "correct" place in the Gentoo makefiles
 > to add that section is.
-> 
-> CY
-> 
-> 
->       ____________________________________________________________________________________
-> Be a better friend, newshound, and 
-> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.  Try it now.  http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ 
-> 
-> 
-> 
-> _______________________________________________
-> Axiom-developer mailing list
-> list
-> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer
-> 
 
 I just got home from work. I started mine up before I left and it 
 compiled and installed flawlessly with no changes other than setting the 
@@ -2953,16 +2563,11 @@ getting one of those Give One Get One laptops from the One Laptop Per
 Child organization and I want to put a CAS on it. I know Maxima will 
 work, so unless there's something lighter, that's what I'm going with.
 
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:34:11 -0500
 From: Cliff Yapp
-To: Tim Daly, 
- list
+To: Tim Daly
 Subject: Re: newhyper.pamphlet
-Cc: 
 
 Tim I'm not seeing this in the silver git repository - is it in there
 yet or do I need to grab it elsewhere?
@@ -2975,43 +2580,20 @@ Tim Daly wrote:
 >  Topics->Calculus complete
 >  
 is now a better font size
 > 
-> Tim
-> 
-> 
-> _______________________________________________
-> Axiom-developer mailing list
-> list
-> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer
-> 
-> 
-
-
-
 
 \start
 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:24:47 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Cliff Yapp
-	Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:20:43 -0800 (PST))
 Subject: Re: Building silver git tree on Gentoo
-Cc: list
-
-Cliff,
 
 Please send me a diff-Naur of the change for gentoo.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:29:27 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Cliff Yapp
-	2007 22:34:11 -0500)
 Subject: Re: newhyper.pamphlet
-	<4760A833.4050006@yahoo.com>
-Cc: list
 
 Cliff,
 
@@ -3039,18 +2621,10 @@ and see the new hyperdoc in firefox.
 
 Detailed instructions will be included when the patches hit silver.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
-To: Bill Page
-	
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 13 Dec 2007 08:08:05 +0100
-Cc: list,
-	open-axiom-devel ,
-	fricas-devel 
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Bill Page
 Subject: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues
 
 Bill Page writes:
@@ -3108,19 +2682,11 @@ pending, planned, testing -> merge with fix proposed
 not reproducible, need more info -> merge
 
 I think that would be much better organized.
-
-Martin
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:34:01 -0800 (PST)
 From: Cliff Yapp
-Subject: Re: Building silver git tree on Gentoo
 To: Tim Daly
-	10.2-10.4) (2)
-Cc: list
+Subject: Re: Building silver git tree on Gentoo
 
 I think this is what did it - I'm rebuilding to confirm.
 
@@ -3156,33 +2722,10 @@ silver-compile/src/hyper/Makefile.pamphlet
  
  HTADD=${OUT}/htadd
 
-
-
---- Tim Daly wrote:
-
-> Cliff,
-> 
-> Please send me a diff-Naur of the change for gentoo.
-> 
-> Tim
-> 
-
-
-
-      ____________________________________________________________________________________
-Be a better friend, newshound, and 
-know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.  Try it now.  http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ 
-
-
-
-
 \start
-From: Gregory Vanuxem 
-To: list,
-	FriCAS Devel ,
-	OpenAxiom-Patches 
 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:41:33 +0100
-Cc: 
+From: Gregory Vanuxem
+To: list
 Subject: A small error in discardGraph()
 
 Hello,
@@ -3299,37 +2842,18 @@ munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x000000000060b0d0 ***
 2b0346982000-2b0346984000 rw-p 00002000 08:06
 4693806                    /lib/libdl-2.7.so
 
-
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:21:45 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
-To: g.vanuxem@orange.fr
-	on Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:41:33 +0100)
+To: Gregory Vanuxem
 Subject: Re: A small error in discardGraph()
-Cc: list, open-axiom-patches@lists.sourceforge.net,
-	fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
-
-Greg,
 
 Thanks. It will go out after the current build/test cycle completes.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:56:15 -0500
 From: Bill Page
 To: Martin Rubey
-	
-	<9qprxb138q.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-Cc: fricas-devel ,
-	open-axiom-devel ,
-	list
 Subject: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues
 
 Martin,
@@ -3394,22 +2918,11 @@ treat all versions/forks of Axiom on an equal footing on the
 NewSynthesis Axiom Wiki. Doing things the way you suggest does not
 seem sufficiently equitable to me.
 
-Regards,
-Bill Page.
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:22:55 -0600 (CST)
 From: Gabriel Dos Reis
-To: fricas-devel 
-	
-	<9qprxb138q.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	
-Cc: open-axiom-devel ,
-	list
-Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Close Issues -> Close
-	Fricas Issues
+To: list
+Subject: Re: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues
 
 On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Bill Page wrote:
 
@@ -3424,22 +2937,11 @@ It is normal for people to preach for the religion they like the best.
 Bill, it is your project; so, I'll let you decide -- I appreciate your
 effort at being equitable. 
 
--- Gaby
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:01:17 -0500
 From: Bill Page
-To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
-	
-	<9qprxb138q.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	
-	
-Cc: open-axiom-devel ,
-	list
-Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Close Issues -> Close
-	Fricas Issues
+To: list
+Subject: Re: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues
 
 Gaby,
 
@@ -3482,22 +2984,10 @@ would like to contribute to this, it would be a great help to me. So
 far all that I have is what I can follow from your patches and posts
 to the open-axiom list.
 
-Regards,
-Bill Page.
-
-
-
 \start
-To: Bill Page,
-	Gabriel Dos Reis
-	
-	<9qprxb138q.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 14 Dec 2007 06:42:13 +0100
-Cc: fricas-devel ,
-	open-axiom-devel ,
-	list
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Bill Page, Gabriel Dos Reis
 Subject: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues
 
 Bill, Gaby,
@@ -3536,24 +3026,12 @@ Bill, Gaby,
 Sorry, I can't see: which version of axiom would be preferred by the proposal
 above?
 
-Martin
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:45:35 -0500
 From: Bill Page
 To: Martin Rubey
-	
-	<9qprxb138q.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	
-	<9qsl256de2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-Cc: fricas-devel ,
-	open-axiom-devel ,
-	list,
-	Gabriel Dos Reis
 Subject: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues
+Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis
 
 On 14 Dec 2007 06:42:13 +0100, Martin Rubey wrote:
 > ...
@@ -3563,25 +3041,12 @@ On 14 Dec 2007 06:42:13 +0100, Martin Rubey wrote:
 
 The version of axiom that no longer exhibits the problem.
 
-Regards,
-Bill Page.
-
-
-
 \start
-To: Bill Page
-	
-	<9qprxb138q.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	
-	<9qsl256de2.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 14 Dec 2007 08:27:53 +0100
-Cc: fricas-devel ,
-	open-axiom-devel ,
-	list,
-	Gabriel Dos Reis
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Bill Page
 Subject: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues
+Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis
 
 Bill Page writes:
 
@@ -3614,22 +3079,11 @@ and see *immediately* whether it has been solved in another version yet.
 
 I'd expect that cloning the issues will imply significant overhead.
 
-
-
-Martin
-
-
-
-
 \start
-To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com,
-	open-axiom-devel ,
-	axiom-devel 
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 14 Dec 2007 08:43:30 +0100
-Cc: 
-Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: A small error in
-	discardGraph()
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: list
+Subject: Re: Re: A small error in discardGraph()
 
 Waldek Hebisch writes:
 
@@ -3637,7 +3091,7 @@ Waldek Hebisch writes:
 > > 
 > > Martin Rubey writes:
 > > 
-> > > Gregory Vanuxem  writes:
+> > > Gregory Vanuxem writes:
 > > > 
 > > > > Hello,
 > > > > 
@@ -3696,19 +3150,10 @@ but I can't.
 
 Help!
 
-Martin
-
-
-
-
 \start
-To: Bill Page
-	
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 14 Dec 2007 09:09:35 +0100
-Cc: fricas-devel ,
-	open-axiom-devel ,
-	list
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Bill Page
 Subject: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues
 
 Bill Page writes:
@@ -3736,21 +3181,11 @@ which is used on the page, if it differs from the default version?
 
 (Minor, since where it *really* matters, i.e., on IssueTracker, it's visible)
 
-Martin
-
-
-
-
 \start
-To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, axiom-devel ,
-	open-axiom-devel 
-	<9q63z37llm.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<9qy7bx7b78.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 14 Dec 2007 13:12:04 +0100
-Cc: 
-Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: RectangularMatrixCategory
-	should have Finite
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: list
+Subject: Re: Re: RectangularMatrixCategory should have Finite
 
 Martin Rubey writes:
 
@@ -3812,24 +3247,11 @@ its parts.  I vaguely remember that Bill already suggested this.  Back then, I
 think, we concluded "no", since there is (of course) no canonical way to do
 that...
 
-Comments welcome,
-
-Martin
-
-
-
-
 \start
-To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, axiom-devel , 
-	open-axiom-devel 
-	<9q63z37llm.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<9qy7bx7b78.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<9qodct79wr.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 14 Dec 2007 16:03:58 +0100
-Cc: 
-Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: RectangularMatrixCategory
-	should have Finite
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: list
+Subject: Re: Re: RectangularMatrixCategory should have Finite
 
 Dear Waldek, Gaby, Tim,
 
@@ -3940,42 +3362,40 @@ Index: matcat.spad.pamphlet
       square? x == m = n
 
 
-
-
 \start
 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:55:08 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Martin Rubey
-	Rubey on 14 Dec 2007 16:03:58 +0100)
-Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Re: RectangularMatrixCategory
-	should have Finite
-	<9q63z37llm.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<9qy7bx7b78.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<9qodct79wr.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<9qmysd2u8x.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
-	list
+Subject: re: Re: RectangularMatrixCategory should have Finite
 
 Excellent. I'll put this in after I install/test Greg's patch -- Tim
 
-
-
 \start
 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:29:59 -0800
 From: Arthur Ralfs
-To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, list
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 Subject: mathml patch
 
-This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
 
-----7d324b22fd2c30445b75
+Hi Tim, Waldek,
+
+This patch covers a few typos in the documentation and the correction
+for "continuedFraction(3,repeating [1], repeating [3,6])". 
+Waldek your patch for this one missed the last "ZAG" in the case of a
+finite continued fraction and replaced it with an ellipsis.  I've
+added a test to see if the last argument is a ZAG or an
+ellipsis.  If neither then I give an error but still deliver
+valid MathML, i.e. the error is contained in an mtext element  I
+didn't change the formatZag1 function since it's not used and I'm not
+sure what I want to do with it.
+
+I'm hoping to work through all the bugs I have and also do some
+significant rewriting of the documentation.  Would you like this
+as a series of patches or one big one at the end?  Or since the
+package may end up being largely rewritten maybe I should just send
+the rewritten package?
 
-Hi Tim, Waldek,

This patch covers a few typos in the documentation and the correction for
"continuedFraction(3,repeating [1], repeating [3,6])".  Waldek your patch
for this one missed the last "ZAG" in the case of a finite continued fraction
and replaced it with an ellipsis.  I've added a test to see if the last argument
is a ZAG or an ellipsis.  If neither then I give an error but still deliver valid
MathML, i.e. the error is contained in an mtext element  I didn't change the 
formatZag1 function since it's not used and I'm not sure what I want to do with it.

I'm hoping to work through all the bugs I have and also do some significant
rewriting of the documentation.  Would you like this as a series of patches
or one big one at the end?  Or since the package may end up being largely
rewritten maybe I should just send the rewritten package?

Arthur

+Arthur
 
 ----7d324b22fd2c30445b75
 
@@ -4103,13 +3523,10 @@ LS0gdXNlIGEgdGFibGUK
 
 ----7d324b22fd2c30445b75--
 
-
-
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:09:36 -0600
+From: Tim Daly
 To: list
-Cc: 
 Subject: 20071215.03.gxv.patch (7023)
 
 This patch is due to Greg Vanuxem. 
@@ -4145,8 +3562,6 @@ index 0a4c7da..18dcc3d 100644
  
  }
 
-
-
 \start
 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:18:31 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
@@ -4202,90 +3617,83 @@ index 2baf4bb..1f24460 100644
 Binary files a/src/hyper/axbook.tgz and b/src/hyper/axbook.tgz differ
 ------- End of forwarded message -------
 
-
-
 \start
 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:14:34 -0800
 From: Arthur Ralfs
-To: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
-Message-id: 
-MIME-version: 1.0
-Priority: normal
-	recognized.
-Cc: 
+To: list 
 Subject: mathml hex(10) patch
 
 This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
 
 ----ad764d1f95112f073c30
 
-Tim=2C Waldek=2C=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3EThis patch is a band-aid for the hex(10)=
- bug=2E=3Cbr=3EI think there are some deeper inconsistencies however=2E=3C=
-br=3EConsider the following=3A=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3E(17) -=26gt=3B radix(5/24=2C=
-39)=3Cbr=3E=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26=
-nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =26nbsp=3B =26nbsp=3B =26=
-nbsp=3B =26nbsp=3B =5F=5F=5F=5F=3Cbr=3E=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B (17)=26nbsp=3B=
- 0 =2E 8 4 34=3Cbr=3E=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26=
-nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nb=
-sp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=
-=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=
-=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26=
-nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nb=
-sp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=
-=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B Type=3A RadixExpansion 39=3C=
-br=3E(18) -=26gt=3B radix(5/24=2C40)=3Cbr=3E=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=
-=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =26=
-nbsp=3B =26nbsp=3B =26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =5F=3Cbr=3E=
-=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B (18)=26nbsp=3B 0 =2E 8 D=3Cbr=3E=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=
-=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26=
-nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nb=
-sp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=
-=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=
-=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26=
-nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nb=
-sp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=
-=3B Type=3A RadixExpansion 40=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3Ewhy do we get letters in (1=
-8) but all digits in (17)=3F=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3E(21) -=26gt=3B radix(5/24=2C=
-43)=3Cbr=3E=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26=
-nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =26nbsp=3B =26nbsp=3B =26nbsp=3B =5F=
-=5F=5F=5F=3Cbr=3E=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B (21)=26nbsp=3B 0 =2E 8 41=3Cbr=3E=26=
-nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nb=
-sp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=
-=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=
-=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26=
-nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nb=
-sp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=
-=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=
-=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B Type=3A RadixExpansion 43=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3EHere we ge=
-t a ragit greater than 36 but=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3E(22) -=26gt=3B radix(35=2C3=
-6)=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3E=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B (22)=26nbsp=3B Z=3Cbr=3E=26nbsp=3B=
-=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26=
-nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nb=
-sp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=
-=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=
-=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26=
-nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nb=
-sp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=
-=3B=26nbsp=3B Type=3A RadixExpansion 36=3Cbr=3E(23) -=26gt=3B radix(36=2C=
-37)=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3E=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =26gt=3B=26gt=3B Error detected =
-within library code=3A=3Cbr=3E=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B index out of range=3C=
-br=3E=3Cbr=3E(23) -=26gt=3B )set output tex on=3Cbr=3E(23) -=26gt=3B rad=
-ix(10=2C16)=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3E=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B (23)=26nbsp=3B A=3Cbr=3E=
-=24=24=3Cbr=3E=23=5CA=3Cbr=3E=5Cleqno(23)=3Cbr=3E=24=24=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3ET=
-eX shows =23=5CA=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3E(25) -=26gt=3B )set output tex off=3Cbr=3E=
-(25) -=26gt=3B radix(10=2C16)=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3E=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B (25)=26=
-nbsp=3B A=3Cbr=3E=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nb=
-sp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=
-=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=
-=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26=
-nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nb=
-sp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=
-=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=
-=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B Type=3A RadixExpansion 16=3Cbr=3E=
-(26) -=26gt=3B exprex(=25)=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3E=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B (26)=26nb=
-sp=3B =22=7B=23=5CA=7D=22=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3Eexprex shows the preconditioned=
- output form which shows =23=5CA=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3EArthur=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3E=3C=
-br=3E=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3E
+Tim, Waldek,

This patch is a band-aid for the hex(10)=
+ bug.
I think there are some deeper inconsistencies however.<=
+br>Consider the following:

(17) ->=3B radix(5/24,=
+39)
 =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&=
+nbsp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B  =3B  =3B &=
+nbsp=3B  =3B =5F=5F=5F=5F
 =3B =3B (17) =3B=
+ 0 . 8 4 34
 =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&=
+nbsp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&nb=
+sp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =
+=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B=
+ =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&=
+nbsp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&nb=
+sp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =
+=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B Type: RadixExpansion 39<=
+br>(18) ->=3B radix(5/24,40)
 =3B =3B =3B=
+ =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B &=
+nbsp=3B  =3B  =3B =3B  =3B =3B =5F
=
+ =3B =3B (18) =3B 0 . 8 D
 =3B =3B=
+ =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&=
+nbsp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&nb=
+sp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =
+=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B=
+ =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&=
+nbsp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&nb=
+sp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =
+=3B Type: RadixExpansion 40

why do we get letters in (1=
+8) but all digits in (17)?

(21) ->=3B radix(5/24,=
+43)
 =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&=
+nbsp=3B =3B =3B =3B  =3B  =3B  =3B =5F=
+=5F=5F=5F
 =3B =3B (21) =3B 0 . 8 41
&=
+nbsp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&nb=
+sp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =
+=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B=
+ =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&=
+nbsp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&nb=
+sp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =
+=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B=
+ =3B =3B Type: RadixExpansion 43

Here we ge=
+t a ragit greater than 36 but

(22) ->=3B radix(35,3=
+6)

 =3B =3B (22) =3B Z
 =3B=
+ =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&=
+nbsp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&nb=
+sp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =
+=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B=
+ =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&=
+nbsp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&nb=
+sp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =
+=3B =3B Type: RadixExpansion 36
(23) ->=3B radix(36,=
+37)

 =3B =3B >=3B>=3B Error detected =
+within library code:
 =3B =3B index out of range<=
+br>
(23) ->=3B )set output tex on
(23) ->=3B rad=
+ix(10,16)

 =3B =3B (23) =3B A
=
+=24=24
=23=5CA
=5Cleqno(23)
=24=24

T=
+eX shows =23=5CA

(25) ->=3B )set output tex off
=
+(25) ->=3B radix(10,16)

 =3B =3B (25)&=
+nbsp=3B A
 =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&nb=
+sp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =
+=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B=
+ =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&=
+nbsp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&nb=
+sp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =
+=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B=
+ =3B =3B =3B =3B Type: RadixExpansion 16
=
+(26) ->=3B exprex(=25)

 =3B =3B (26)&nb=
+sp=3B "=7B=23=5CA=7D"

exprex shows the preconditioned=
+ output form which shows =23=5CA

Arthur

<=
+br>



 
 ----ad764d1f95112f073c30
  filename=mathml.spad.pamphlet.hex10.patch
@@ -4422,13 +3830,10 @@ IG51bGwgbCA9PiBibGFuawo=
 
 ----ad764d1f95112f073c30--
 
-
-
 \start
 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:46:52 -0800 (PST)
-From: TimDaly Tim Daly
+From: Tim Daly
 To: sage-devel 
-Cc: list
 Subject: Re: Sage and Special Functions??
 
 in the first paragraph s/chunck/chunk/
@@ -4483,25 +3888,13 @@ On Dec 14, 8:29 pm, "William Stein"  wrote:
 > getting close to being finished.  Any comments, including on typos are welcome:
 >
 >    http://wstein.org/grants/2007-cdi-reinhardt/
->
-> Thanks!
->
->  -- William
->
-> --
-> William Stein
-> Associate Professor of Mathematics
-> University of Washingtonhttp://wstein.org
-
-
 
 \start
 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:55:01 -0800
-From: "William Stein" William Stein
-To: sage-devel@googlegroups.com
-	<88977d29-7f06-48a4-844b-485a07ae3a5f@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
-Cc: list, Bill Reinhardt 
+From: William Stein
+To: list
 Subject: Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage and Special Functions??
+Cc: Bill Reinhardt
 
 Tim,
 
@@ -4561,48 +3954,21 @@ We'll definitely consult with you if we get funded!
 > will highlight these fundamental issues since they are almost
 > certainly not constant in the DLMF.
 
-Thanks!
-
-William
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:39:58 -0800
 From: Arthur Ralfs
 To: list
-Message-id: 
-MIME-version: 1.0
-Priority: normal
-	recognized.
 Subject: mathml leftHandLimit=~failed~
 
-This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
-
-----81a1beeecc8878720a8
-
-Tim=2C
-
-When I execute limit(x*log(x)=2Cx=3D0) I get the correct rendering
-leftHandLimit=3D=22failed=22=2E=A0 Are you still seeing the same thing=3F=
-
-
-Arthur
-
-
-----81a1beeecc8878720a8
-
-Tim,

When I execute limit(x*log(x),x=0) I get the correct rendering
leftHandLimit="failed".  Are you still seeing the same thing?

Arthur

-
-----81a1beeecc8878720a8--
-
+Tim,
 
+When I execute limit(x*log(x),x=0) I get the correct rendering
+leftHandLimit="failed".; Are you still seeing the same thing?
 
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:05:52 -0600
+From: Tim Daly
 To: list
-Cc: 
 Subject: 20071215.02.tpd.patch
 
 This patch fixes minor issues with the 20071215.01.tpd.patch changeset.
@@ -4654,12 +4020,10 @@ Binary files a/src/hyper/axbook.tgz and b/src/hyper/axbook.tgz differ
 
 
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:29:22 -0600
+From: Tim Daly
 To: list
-Cc: 
-Subject: 20071216.01.tpd.patch,
-	20071216.02.tpd.patch (7045)
+Subject: 20071216.01.tpd.patch,	20071216.02.tpd.patch (7045)
 
 This patch adds -lXpm to the loader flags for gentoo systems.
 To use this on gentoo builds set your Axiom variable with a
@@ -4840,7 +4204,7 @@ index 9603823..5f2bd15 100644
 +The ALDOR\_PROJECT variable points to the source location for the Aldor
 +compiler installation. Aldor gets untarred in the top level directory so
 +<>=
-+ALDORVERSION=20070901
++ALDORVERSION070901
 +ALDOR_PROJECT=${SPD}/aldor
 +ALDOR_INSTALL=${AXIOM}
 +GENERIC_DIR=${AXIOM}
@@ -5938,7 +5302,7 @@ index 5f2bd15..663f9f3 100644
 -The ALDOR\_PROJECT variable points to the source location for the Aldor
 -compiler installation. Aldor gets untarred in the top level directory so
 -<>=
--ALDORVERSION=20070901
+-ALDORVERSION070901
 -ALDOR_PROJECT=${SPD}/aldor
 -ALDOR_INSTALL=${AXIOM}
 -GENERIC_DIR=${AXIOM}
@@ -6853,16 +6217,11 @@ index 4e3d1bd..49e15d1 100644
  20071215 gxv src/graph/viewman/makegraph.c discardGraph free corrected (7023)
  20071215 tpd src/hyper/Makefile fix typo in bookvol11 building stanza
 
-
-
 \start
-To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, axiom-devel 
-	<9qmysbg353.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 16 Dec 2007 12:28:59 +0100
-Cc: 
-Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: regression tests
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: list
+Subject: Re: Re: regression tests
 
 Dear Bill, Tim,
 
@@ -6876,29 +6235,28 @@ Bill Page writes:
 Thanks for the reminder, I'll look into it.  Tim, could you point me to the
 right files?  Most important: where do you put the tests?
 
-Thanks,
-
-Martin
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 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:43:33 -0800
 From: Arthur Ralfs
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 Subject: mathml derivative patch
 
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+Tim, Waldek,
+
+This patch fixes the problem with derivatives Tim found, e.g.
+F:=operator F
+x:=operator x
+y:=operator y
+a:=F(x z,y z,z**2)+x y(z+1)
+D(a,z)
+
+However I've had to abandon differential notation for now, although I'd like
+to find some way to use it when appropriate, or perhaps give the user the option
+of trying it.
+
+Arthur
 
-Tim, Waldek,

This patch fixes the problem with derivatives Tim found, e.g.
F:=operator F
x:=operator x
y:=operator y
a:=F(x z,y z,z**2)+x y(z+1)
D(a,z)

However I've had to abandon differential notation for now, although I'd like
to find some way to use it when appropriate, or perhaps give the user the option
of trying it.

Arthur

 
 ----b620720a9fa61d4929e
  filename=mathml.spad.pamphlet.derivative.patch
@@ -7126,22 +6484,12 @@ blByZWMpCiAgICAgICBmb3JtYXRGdW5jdGlvbihvcCxhcmdzLHByZWMpCg==
 
 ----b620720a9fa61d4929e--
 
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 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:51:38 -0800
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 To: list
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 Tim,
 
 I don't see this problem, i.e. when I do
@@ -7152,29 +6500,13 @@ I get the correct display with the vertical bar.
 
 Are you still getting the wrong display?
 
-Arthur
-
+\start
+Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:57:03 -0500
+From: Tim Daly
+To: Martin Rubey
+Subject: re: Re: regression tests
 
-----b679ad4fd1f8497041b8
-
-Tim,

I don't see this problem, i.e. when I do
m1:=matrix [[1,2,1],[2,1,-2],[1,-2,4]]
eigenvalues(m1)

I get the correct display with the vertical bar.

Are you still getting the wrong display?

Arthur

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-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:57:03 -0500
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-To: Martin Rubey
-	Rubey on 16 Dec 2007 12:28:59 +0100)
-Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Re: regression tests
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-Martin,
+Martin,
 
 The test facility is based on the regress function which is a lisp
 function loaded into the axiom interpreter.
@@ -7228,20 +6560,11 @@ run automatically by the Makefile but can also be done by hand.
       which checks the new results against the expected results
       and creates "foo.regress" which contains pass/fail markers
 
-Tim
-
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-
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 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:34:58 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Martin Rubey
-	Rubey on 16 Dec 2007 12:28:59 +0100)
-Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Re: regression tests
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+Subject: re: Re: regression tests
 
 Martin,
 
@@ -7288,11 +6611,6 @@ o) It will be the basis of the )browse examples
      code. One of the top-level hyperlinks is "examples". The regression
      test files will be the basis of these pages.
 
-Tim
-
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-
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 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:00:49 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
@@ -7499,15 +6817,11 @@ It's long and, for the most part, tedious.
 
 Tim
 
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-To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:33:37 -1100 (SST)
 From: Waldek Hebisch
-Cc: list
-Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] mathml hex(10) patch
+To: list
+Subject: Re: mathml hex(10) patch
 
 Ralpf,
 
@@ -7546,19 +6860,11 @@ so you get '#\A' here.  I am not sure if we ever want '#\A' in
 "math" output -- if no we could just use a function which would
 convert characters to length 1 strings.
 
-
--- 
-                              Waldek Hebisch
-Waldek Hebisch 
-
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-To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:12:40 -1100 (SST)
 From: Waldek Hebisch
-Cc: list
-Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] mathml patch
+To: list
+Subject: Re: mathml patch
 
 
 > Hi Tim, Waldek,

This patch covers a few typos in the documentation
@@ -7591,345 +6897,79 @@ I prefer small patches -- it makes discussing changes much easier.
 But if you fell that changes are mutually dependent then combining
 them is OK.
 
--- 
-                              Waldek Hebisch
-Waldek Hebisch 
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 ----- Original Message -----
-From=3A Waldek Hebisch =3Chebisch=40math=2Euni=2Ewroc=2Epl=3E
-Date=3A Sunday=2C December 16=2C 2007 12=3A11 pm
-Subject=3A =5BAxiom-developer=5D Re=3A =5Bfricas-devel=5D mathml patch
-To=3A fricas-devel=40googlegroups=2Ecom
-Cc=3A axiom-developer=40nongnu=2Eorg
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-=3E =
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-=3E =3E Hi Tim=2C Waldek=2C=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3EThis patch covers a few typos=
- in =
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-=3E the documentation
-=3E =3E and the correction for=3Cbr=3E=22continuedFraction(3=2Crepeating=
- =
-
-=3E =5B1=5D=2C repeating
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-=3E =3E Waldek your patch=3Cbr=3Efor this one missed the last =22ZAG=22 =
-in =
-
-=3E the case of
-=3E =3E a finite continued fraction=3Cbr=3Eand replaced it with an ellip=
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-=3E =3E I=27ve added a test to see if the last argument=3Cbr=3Eis a ZAG =
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-=3E or an ellipsis=2E
-=3E =3E If neither then I give an error but still deliver =
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-=3E valid=3Cbr=3EMathML=2C i=2Ee=2E
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-=3E =
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-=3E Namely=2C getting to formatZag with something else is a bug -- eithe=
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-=3E in code genereting unexpected thing or in formatZag=2E=A0 So=2C =
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-=3E the output
-=3E is incorrect anyway=2E=A0 But if you only deliver text inside MathML=
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-=3E it may easily be overlooked=2E
-=3E =
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-=3E In general=2C I feel that instead of guessing what given construct
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-That=27s OK with me=2E=A0 Tim=2C what do you think=3F=A0 My own thought =
-was =
 
+> 
+> > Hi Tim, Waldek,

This patch covers a few typos in 
+> the documentation
+> > and the correction for
"continuedFraction(3,repeating 
+> =5B1=5D, repeating
+> > =5B3,6=5D)".
+> > Waldek your patch
for this one missed the last "ZAG" in 
+> the case of
+> > a finite continued fraction
and replaced it with an ellipsis.
+> > I=27ve added a test to see if the last argument
is a ZAG 
+> or an ellipsis.
+> > If neither then I give an error but still deliver 
+> valid
MathML, i.e.
+> > the error is contained in an mtext element
+> 
+> I am not sure why do you want to deliver valid MathML in this case.
+> Namely, getting to formatZag with something else is a bug -- either
+> in code genereting unexpected thing or in formatZag.; So, 
+> the output
+> is incorrect anyway.; But if you only deliver text inside MathML
+> it may easily be overlooked.
+> 
+> In general, I feel that instead of guessing what given construct
+> means you should just throw errors: once an unhandled construct
+> appears it is easy to catch error in the debugger and find out
+> what it means.; If you try to mask errors debugging becomes much
+> harder...
+> 
+That=27s OK with me.; Tim, what do you think?; My own thought was 
 that the text inside the MathML would stick out pretty conspicuously
-but I don=27t have any objection to doing what you suggest=2E
+but I don=27t have any objection to doing what you suggest.
 
 Arthur
 
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+> 
+> > Would you like this as a series of patches
or one big 
+> one at the end?
+> > Or since the package may end up being largely
rewritten 
+> maybe I should
+> > just send the rewritten package?
+> 
+> I prefer small patches -- it makes discussing changes much easier.
+> But if you fell that changes are mutually dependent then combining
+> them is OK.
+> 
+> -- 
+> ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; Waldek Hebisch
+> hebisch=40math.uni.wroc.pl 
+> 
 
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 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:56:44 -0800
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-Date=3A Sunday=2C December 16=2C 2007 11=3A35 am
-Subject=3A =5BAxiom-developer=5D Re=3A =5Bfricas-devel=5D mathml hex(10)=
- patch
-To=3A fricas-devel=40googlegroups=2Ecom
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-
-=3E Ralpf=2C
-=3E =
-
-=3E You wrote=3A
-=3E =3E Tim=2C Waldek=2C=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3EThis patch is a band-aid for the=
- =
-
-=3E hex(10) bug=2E
-=3E =3Csnip=3E
-=3E =3E =40=40 -1285=2C6 +1307=2C10 =40=40
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-d 2007-02-14
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-t=27s a variable=3F=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B +	-- test for something lik=
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-ar =22=23=22 and str=2E2 =3D char =22=5C=22 =3D=26gt=3B=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =
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- +=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=
-=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B concat =5B=22=26lt=3Bmi=26gt=3B=
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-nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B l =3A L E =3A=3D (expr pretend L E=
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-p=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B null l =3D=26gt=3B blank=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=
- =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B I wonder if we can get here with a st=
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-AICS the start of =27hex(10)=27 problem is in=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B the line=3A=
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-fy expr =3D=3D (object2String=24Lisp expr)=40S=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =3Cbr=3E=26=
-gt=3B object2String converts character using =5FLisp=5F rules=3A=3Cbr=3E=
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-=3B STRINGP x =3D=26gt=3B x=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =26nbsp=3B IDENTP x=26nbsp=3B=
- =3D=26gt=3B PNAME x=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =26nbsp=3B NULL x=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=
-=26nbsp=3B =3D=26gt=3B =27=22=22=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =26nbsp=3B PAIRP=26nbsp=
-=3B x=26nbsp=3B =3D=26gt=3B STRCONC(object2String first x=2C =3Cbr=3E=26=
-gt=3B object2String rest x)=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =26nbsp=3B WRITE=5F-TO=5F-ST=
-RING x=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B so you get =27=23=5CA=27 here=2E=
-=26nbsp=3B I am not sure if we ever want =27=23=5CA=27 in=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B=
- =22math=22 output -- if no we could just use a function which would=3Cb=
-r=3E=26gt=3B convert characters to length 1 strings=2E=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =3C=
-br=3E=26nbsp=3BDo you think we can rewrite the stringify function to do =
-the=3Cbr=3Eright thing=3F=26nbsp=3B I=27m not sure how to proceed=2E=26n=
-bsp=3B I copied stringify=3Cbr=3Efrom the TeX domain=2E=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3EA=
-rthur=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3E 
-
-----9f0d1024a80b287fc98--
+To: list
+Subject: re: mathml hex(10) patch
 
 
+Do you think we can rewrite the stringify function to do the
+right thing?; I'm not sure how to proceed.; I copied stringify
+from the TeX domain.
 
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:25:55 -0600
-To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs
-Cc: list
+From: Tim Daly
+To: Arthur Ralfs
 Subject: (no subject)
 
 >>In general, I fee that instead of guessing what given construct
@@ -7960,65 +7000,60 @@ So something like:
 
 really narrows the scope of the problem. I don't need a debugger anymore.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
-To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:44:11 -1100 (SST)
 From: Waldek Hebisch
-Cc: list
+To: list
 Subject: Re: mathml hex(10) patch
 
 Arthur Ralfs wrote:
 > From: Waldek Hebisch
 > > You wrote:
-> > > Tim, Waldek,

This patch is a band-aid for the=20
+> > > Tim, Waldek,

This patch is a band-aid for the
 > > hex(10) bug.
 > > 
 > > > @@ -1285,6 +1307,10 @@
-> > >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 -- where it arises.=A0 Removed 2007-=
+> > >;;;;;;;;;;; -- where it arises.; Removed 2007-=
 02-14
-> > >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 concat(concat("",str)," > >;;;;;;;;;;; concat(concat("",str),"")
-> > >=A0=A0	-- if we get to here does that mean it's a variable?
+> > >;;	-- if we get to here does that mean it's a variable?
 > > > +	-- test for something like #\A and strip off #\
-> > > +	str.1 =3D char "#" and str.2 =3D char "\" =3D>
-> > >=20
-> > +=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 u : US :=3D segment(3,len)$US
-> > >=20
-> > +=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 concat ["",str.u,""]
-> > >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 concat=20
-> > ["",str,""]>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 l : L E :=3D (expr pretend L=
+> > > +	str.1 = char "#" and str.2 = char "\" =>
+> > >
+> > +;;;;;;;;;;; u : US := segment(3,len)$US
+> > >
+> > +;;;;;;;;;;; concat ["",str.u,""]
+> > >;;;;;;;;; concat
+> > ["",str,""]>;;;;;;; l : L E := (expr pretend L=
  E)
-> > >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 null l =3D> blank
-> > >=20
-> >=20
+> > >;;;;;;; null l => blank
+> > >
+> >
 > > I wonder if we can get here with a string -- for string this is
-> > clearly wrong.=A0 AFAICS the start of 'hex(10)' problem is in
+> > clearly wrong.; AFAICS the start of 'hex(10)' problem is in
 > > the line:
-> >=20
-> > =A0=A0=A0 stringify expr =3D=3D (object2String$Lisp expr)@S
-> >=20
+> >
+> > ;;; stringify expr == (object2String$Lisp expr)@S
+> >
 > > object2String converts character using _Lisp_ rules:
-> >=20
-> > object2String x =3D=3D
-> > =A0 STRINGP x =3D> x
-> > =A0 IDENTP x=A0 =3D> PNAME x
-> > =A0 NULL x=A0=A0=A0 =3D> '""
-> > =A0 PAIRP=A0 x=A0 =3D> STRCONC(object2String first x,=20
+> >
+> > object2String x ==
+> > ; STRINGP x => x
+> > ; IDENTP x; => PNAME x
+> > ; NULL x;;; => '""
+> > ; PAIRP; x; => STRCONC(object2String first x,
 > > object2String rest x)
-> > =A0 WRITE_-TO_-STRING x
-> >=20
-> > so you get '#\A' here.=A0 I am not sure if we ever want '#\A' in
+> > ; WRITE_-TO_-STRING x
+> >
+> > so you get '#\A' here.; I am not sure if we ever want '#\A' in
 > > "math" output -- if no we could just use a function which would
 > > convert characters to length 1 strings.
-> >=20
-> =A0Do you think we can rewrite the stringify function to do the
-> right thing?=A0 I'm not sure how to proceed.=A0 I copied stringify
+> >
+> ;Do you think we can rewrite the stringify function to do the
+> right thing?; I'm not sure how to proceed.; I copied stringify
 > from the TeX domain.
->=20
+>
 
 The following add a 'mathObject2String' function to convert characters
 to length one strings and all other object using old rules.
@@ -8028,31 +7063,24 @@ to length one strings and all other object using old rules.
 @@ -706,6 +706,10 @@
      concat("attribute: ",form2String form)
    form2String x
-=20
-+mathObject2String x =3D=3D
-+  CHARACTERP x =3D> COERCE([x],'STRING)
+
++mathObject2String x ==
++  CHARACTERP x => COERCE([x],'STRING)
 +  object2String x
 +
- object2String x =3D=3D
-   STRINGP x =3D> x
-   IDENTP x  =3D> PNAME x
+ object2String x ==
+   STRINGP x => x
+   IDENTP x  => PNAME x
 
 given this function it should be enough to change stringify to call
 mathObject2String (instead of object2String).
 
 Concerning TeX: TeX output has the same problem...
 
---=20
-                              Waldek Hebisch
-Waldek Hebisch=20
-
-
-
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:43:31 -0600
+From: Tim Daly
 To: Martin Rubey
-Cc: list
 Subject: (no subject)
 
 Martin, Waldek,
@@ -8427,15 +7455,11 @@ with a ``--I'' prefix.
 \end{thebibliography}
 \end{document}
 
-
-
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:48:09 -0600
+From: Tim Daly
 To: list
-Cc: 
-Subject: 20071216.03.acr.patch mathml derivative patch
-	(7019)
+Subject: 20071216.03.acr.patch mathml derivative patch (7019)
 
 This patch fixes the problem with derivatives. That is,
 
@@ -8723,46 +7747,18 @@ index e5eaaf7..be7cf47 100644
 \start
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:56:48 -0800
 From: Arthur Ralfs
-To: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
-Message-id: 
-MIME-version: 1.0
-Priority: normal
-	recognized.
-Cc: 
+To: list
 Subject: mathml formatZag error patch
 
-This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
-
-----c64385bcfd5376535c81
-
 This just delivers a more appropriate error and makes a couple of small
 documentation changes.
 
-Arthur
-
-
-----c64385bcfd5376535c81
-
-This just delivers a more appropriate error and makes a couple of small
documentation changes.

Arthur

-
-----c64385bcfd5376535c81--
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:46:28 -0800
 From: Arthur Ralfs
-To: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
-Message-id: 
-MIME-version: 1.0
-Priority: normal
-	recognized.
-Cc: 
+To: list
 Subject: missing patch for formatZAG error
 
-This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
-
-----ecc53d20dbab3fc3253e
 
 Oops

 
@@ -8799,15 +7795,11 @@ cm1hdCB3aXRob3V0IGRpbWluaXNoaW5nIGZvbnRzLCBtYXliZQo=
 
 ----ecc53d20dbab3fc3253e--
 
-
-
 \start
-To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, axiom-devel ,
-	open-axiom-devel 
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 17 Dec 2007 22:00:48 +0100
-Cc: 
-Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: list
+Subject: Re: Installation directory
 
 Waldek Hebisch writes:
 
@@ -8827,20 +7819,11 @@ example, axiom.el would have to be customized for no good reason.
 
 Please do not commit this change.
 
-Martin
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:25:28 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Martin Rubey
-	Rubey on 17 Dec 2007 22:00:48 +0100)
-Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory
-	<9qr6hlghof.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
-	list
+Subject: re: Installation directory
 
 >Waldek Hebisch writes:
 >
@@ -8890,19 +7873,11 @@ I've sent )help files to Fricas) and I expect that to continue.
 As a mathematician I'd expect that you understand that different
 things should have different names. 
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
-To: Tim Daly
-Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory
-	<9qr6hlghof.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712172225.lBHMPSF09152@localhost.localdomain>
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 17 Dec 2007 22:44:26 +0100
-Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
-	list
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Tim Daly
+Subject: re: Installation directory
 
 Tim Daly writes:
 
@@ -8950,20 +7925,11 @@ arguments.
 
 I cannot understand why you want different names for the same thing!
 
-Martin
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:02:33 -0800 (PST)
 From: Cliff Yapp
-Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory
 To: Martin Rubey, Tim Daly
-	10.2-10.4) (2)
-Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com,
-	open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
-
+Subject: re: Installation directory
 
 --- Martin Rubey wrote:
 
@@ -8998,27 +7964,11 @@ lead to very different systems.  It looks similar right now because we
 are all still close to the origin - personally I doubt this will last
 indefinitely.  Macsyma is very different from Maxima, for example.
 
-Cheers,
-CY
-
-
-      ____________________________________________________________________________________
-Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page. 
-http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:14:20 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Martin Rubey
-	Rubey on 17 Dec 2007 22:44:26 +0100)
-Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory
-	<9qr6hlghof.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712172225.lBHMPSF09152@localhost.localdomain>
-	<9qsl21knd1.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com,
-	open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
+Subject: re: Installation directory
 
 >But they wouldn't!  Why would you think that any of your work was
 >lost when you install axiom after having installed friCAS?  The only
@@ -9054,27 +8004,15 @@ Unfortunately the )help, )browse, regression testing, and the coming
 )example facilities all are closely related to literate programming
 which will make them hard to port to other systems.
 
-
-
-
 > I cannot understand why you want different names for the same thing!
 
 Sigh. See the mailing list archives. 
 
-Tim
-
-
-
-
-
-
 \start
-To: Cliff Yapp
-Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 17 Dec 2007 23:14:51 +0100
-Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com,
-	open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Cliff Yapp
+Subject: re: Installation directory
 
 Cliff Yapp writes:
 
@@ -9106,19 +8044,11 @@ At least, it doesn't seem that the "key players" read all the lists.  Otherwise
 Tim would have known that SAGE runs Waldek's branch, there was a lengthy
 discussion of the reasons for that.
 
-Martin
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:20:26 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Cliff Yapp
-	on Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:02:33 -0800 (PST))
-Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory
-Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com,
-	open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
+Subject: re: Installation directory
 
 ...[snip]...
 >Aldor, for example - unless Tim has plans I'm not aware of Axiom
@@ -9139,22 +8069,11 @@ of the git directory rather than the mathml branch so I ended
 up posting the wrong Makefile.pamphlet. I'm actively working
 an aldor git branch. It's just not ready for silver yet.
 
-Tim
- 
-
-
-
 \start
-To: Tim Daly
-Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory
-	<9qr6hlghof.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712172225.lBHMPSF09152@localhost.localdomain>
-	<9qsl21knd1.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712172314.lBHNEKB09189@localhost.localdomain>
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 17 Dec 2007 23:20:10 +0100
-Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
-	list
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Tim Daly
+Subject: re: Installation directory
 
 Tim Daly writes:
 
@@ -9175,25 +8094,11 @@ But please answer my question:
 
 (I think ALLPROSE is another candidate, but I do not know for sure)
 
-Martin
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:46:50 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Martin Rubey
-	Rubey on 17 Dec 2007 23:20:10 +0100)
-Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory
-	<9qr6hlghof.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712172225.lBHMPSF09152@localhost.localdomain>
-	<9qsl21knd1.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712172314.lBHNEKB09189@localhost.localdomain>
-	<9q4peh2cbp.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	J_CHICKENPOX_92, NO_FORMS
-Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com,
-	open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
+Subject: re: Installation directory
 
 >But please answer my question:
 >
@@ -9234,18 +8139,11 @@ Pfaffian code and until I write the document with some test cases
 for the regression machinery and example machinery it is still in the 
 queue.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:18:51 -0800 (PST)
 From: Cliff Yapp
-Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory
 To: Tim Daly
-	10.2-10.4) (2)
-Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
-
+Subject: re: Installation directory
 
 --- Tim Daly wrote:
 
@@ -9272,22 +8170,11 @@ Ah, my bad.
 
 OK.  Sorry Tim - not paying close enough attention.
 
-CY
-
-
-      ____________________________________________________________________________________
-Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page. 
-http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:21:42 -0600 (CST)
 From: Gabriel Dos Reis
-To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
-Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] re: [fricas-devel]
-	Installation directory
-Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
+To: list
+Subject: Re: re: Installation directory
 
 On Mon, 17 Dec 2007, C Y wrote:
 
@@ -9309,22 +8196,11 @@ do in the earliest day (e.g. OpenAxiom-1.0.0).
 It seems to me that we have more FUD that concrete data that we can
 subject to rational analysis.
 
--- Gaby
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:24:46 -0600 (CST)
 From: Gabriel Dos Reis
-To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
-Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] re: [fricas-devel]
-	Installation directory
-	<9qr6hlghof.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712172225.lBHMPSF09152@localhost.localdomain>
-	<9qsl21knd1.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712172314.lBHNEKB09189@localhost.localdomain>
-	<9q4peh2cbp.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
+To: list
+Subject: Installation directory
 
 On Mon, 17 Dec 2007, Martin Rubey wrote:
 
@@ -9337,19 +8213,11 @@ On Mon, 17 Dec 2007, Martin Rubey wrote:
 With OpenAxiom and FriCAS, one can specify their own installation
 directories at configure time.
 
--- Gaby
-
-
-
 \start
-To: Tim Daly
-Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory
-	<9qr6hlghof.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712172225.lBHMPSF09152@localhost.localdomain>
-From: Gabriel Dos Reis
 Date: 17 Dec 2007 18:39:08 -0600
-Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
-	fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
+From: Gabriel Dos Reis
+To: Tim Daly
+Subject: re: Installation directory
 
 Tim Daly writes:
 
@@ -9361,20 +8229,11 @@ Tim Daly writes:
 Of course, both you and me cannot speak for William Stein, but there
 is strong evidence that he knows he has FriCAS.
 
--- Gaby
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:52:50 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Gabriel Dos Reis
-	from Gabriel Dos Reis on Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:21:42 -0600 (CST))
-Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] re: [fricas-devel]
-	Installation directory
-	
-Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com,
-	open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
+Subject: Re: Installation directory
 
 >It seems to me that we have more FUD that concrete data that we can
 >subject to rational analysis.
@@ -9385,22 +8244,11 @@ At minimum, since they both try to use the AXIOM shell variable,
 as opposed to a more rational OPENAXIOM and FRICAS shell variable
 they certainly collide.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:01:12 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Gabriel Dos Reis
-	Reis on 17 Dec 2007 18:39:08 -0600)
-Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory
-	<9qr6hlghof.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712172225.lBHMPSF09152@localhost.localdomain>
-	<87y7bsq1jn.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu>
-Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com,
-	open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
+Subject: re: Installation directory
 
 >| The name issue has already caused problems. William Stein of SAGE
 >| believe he has Axiom installed when he actually has Fricas.
@@ -9420,20 +8268,11 @@ the Sage audience it is important to distinguish the systems.
 Unless OpenAxiom and Fricas implement the )browse machinery 
 there will be confusion.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:11:15 -0600 (CST)
 From: Gabriel Dos Reis
 To: Tim Daly
-Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] re: [fricas-devel]
-	Installation directory
-	
-	<200712180152.lBI1qoZ09303@localhost.localdomain>
-Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com,
-	open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
+Subject: Re: Installation directory
 
 On Mon, 17 Dec 2007, root wrote:
 
@@ -9445,21 +8284,11 @@ On Mon, 17 Dec 2007, root wrote:
 
 You reported that you fumbled your installation.  That is a different story.
 
--- Gaby
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:13:31 -0600 (CST)
 From: Gabriel Dos Reis
 To: Tim Daly
-Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory
-	<9qr6hlghof.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712172225.lBHMPSF09152@localhost.localdomain>
-	<87y7bsq1jn.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu>
-	<200712180201.lBI21CV09322@localhost.localdomain>
-Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
-	fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
+Subject: re: Installation directory
 
 On Mon, 17 Dec 2007, root wrote:
 
@@ -9482,22 +8311,11 @@ FriCAS development for almost its beginning.  He knows the difference.
 Are you going to make a law that prevents them from implementing a
 )browse command?
 
--- Gaby
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:06:03 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Gabriel Dos Reis
-	from Gabriel Dos Reis on Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:11:15 -0600 (CST))
-Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] re: [fricas-devel]
-	Installation directory
-	
-	<200712180152.lBI1qoZ09303@localhost.localdomain>
-	
-Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
-	list
+Subject: Re: Installation directory
 
 >| >It seems to me that we have more FUD that concrete data that we can
 >| >subject to rational analysis.
@@ -9515,23 +8333,11 @@ unnecessary, confusing, and makes dual installations impossible.
 CMUCL and SBCL, which differ because SBCL uses autoconf, do not
 interfere with each other in any way. 
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:15:32 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Gabriel Dos Reis
-	from Gabriel Dos Reis on Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:13:31 -0600 (CST))
-Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory
-	<9qr6hlghof.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712172225.lBHMPSF09152@localhost.localdomain>
-	<87y7bsq1jn.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu>
-	<200712180201.lBI21CV09322@localhost.localdomain>
-	
-Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com,
-	open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
+Subject: re: Installation directory
 
 You win. I give up. I'm tired of this pointless debate.
 
@@ -9548,22 +8354,11 @@ in that direction.
 When the gentlemen and scholar within you decide to do
 the right thing we'll never have to raise this issue again.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:20:23 -0600 (CST)
 From: Gabriel Dos Reis
 To: Tim Daly
-Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] re: [fricas-devel]
-	Installation directory
-	
-	<200712180152.lBI1qoZ09303@localhost.localdomain>
-	
-	<200712180306.lBI363d09359@localhost.localdomain>
-Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com,
-	open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
+Subject: Re: Installation directory
 
 On Mon, 17 Dec 2007, root wrote:
 
@@ -9605,23 +8400,11 @@ the box I'm writing from.
 
 Otherwise, the rest is a bug in Axiom -- you know how to fix it.
 
--- Gaby
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:22:41 -0600 (CST)
 From: Gabriel Dos Reis
 To: Tim Daly
-Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Installation directory
-	<9qr6hlghof.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712172225.lBHMPSF09152@localhost.localdomain>
-	<87y7bsq1jn.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu>
-	<200712180201.lBI21CV09322@localhost.localdomain>
-	
-	<200712180315.lBI3FWO09375@localhost.localdomain>
-Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
-	fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
+Subject: re: Installation directory
 
 On Mon, 17 Dec 2007, root wrote:
 
@@ -9641,30 +8424,18 @@ it says
    Issue )quit to leave OpenAxiom and return to shell.
 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
-
--- Gaby
-
-
-
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:43:06 -0600
+From: Tim Daly
 To: Gabriel Dos Reis
-Cc: list
 Subject: willful denial
 
 
 
-sigh.
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:05:48 -0600 (CST)
 From: Gabriel Dos Reis
 To: Tim Daly
-Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net
 Subject: Re: willful denial
 
 On Mon, 17 Dec 2007, Tim Daly wrote:
@@ -9700,19 +8471,10 @@ does not change anything outside OpenAxiom.
 This is at all opposite to Axiom, which requires manual intervention
 of users to set the variable before doing anything.
 
-Hope that helps,
-
--- Gaby
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:24:27 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Gabriel Dos Reis
-	from Gabriel Dos Reis on Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:05:48 -0600 (CST))
-	
-Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: willful denial
 
 >| 
@@ -9725,9 +8487,6 @@ Subject: Re: willful denial
 
 I'm asking, not lecturing.
 
-
-
-
 >
 >
 >      ## Where The OpenAxiom system resides
@@ -9757,17 +8516,10 @@ This is exactly the definition of willful denial.
 
 The POINT is.... what command do you use to start OpenAxiom?
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:38:28 -0600 (CST)
 From: Gabriel Dos Reis
 To: Tim Daly
-	
-	<200712180624.lBI6OR809474@localhost.localdomain>
-Cc: open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, list
 Subject: Re: willful denial
 
 On Tue, 18 Dec 2007, root wrote:
@@ -9788,26 +8540,20 @@ again:
 
 There is no willful denial there.
 
--- Gaby
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:50:23 -0800
 From: Arthur Ralfs
-To: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
-Message-id: 
-MIME-version: 1.0
-Priority: normal
-	recognized.
-Cc: 
+To: list
 Subject: mathml hex(10) #2 patch
 
-This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
+Tim, Waldek,
 
-----e7754c719d391b817401
+This patch undoes the previous hex(10) patch and implements Waldek's
+solution.  I've also included the mathObject2String function translated to
+lisp for easy testing.  I tested it with the test cases in the pamphlet and it
+works.
 
-Tim, Waldek,

This patch undoes the previous hex(10) patch and implements Waldek's
solution.  I've also included the mathObject2String function translated to
lisp for easy testing.  I tested it with the test cases in the pamphlet and it
works.

Arthur

+Arthur
 
 ----e7754c719d391b817401
  filename=mathml.spad.pamphlet.hex10.2.patch
@@ -9833,17 +8579,10 @@ KHxvYmplY3QyU3RyaW5nfCB8eHwpKSkpIAo=
 
 ----e7754c719d391b817401--
 
-
-
 \start
 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:31:03 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Gabriel Dos Reis
-	from Gabriel Dos Reis on Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:38:28 -0600 (CST))
-	
-	<200712180624.lBI6OR809474@localhost.localdomain>
-	
-Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: willful denial
 
 >| Did you deliberately miss the point? 
@@ -9892,21 +8631,10 @@ starts it, deliberately confusing the user.
 
 Rather unprofessional, don't you think?
 
-Tim
-
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:44:32 -0600 (CST)
 From: Gabriel Dos Reis
 To: Tim Daly
-	
-	<200712180624.lBI6OR809474@localhost.localdomain>
-	
-	<200712180731.lBI7V3N09514@localhost.localdomain>
-Cc: open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, list
 Subject: Re: willful denial
 
 On Tue, 18 Dec 2007, root wrote:
@@ -9929,19 +8657,10 @@ similar flexibility is, IMO, a bug in Axiom.  The changes are there in
 Axiom.build-improvements to pick up -- I made it available to every
 AXIOM derivative to use.
 
--- Gaby
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:47:19 -0600 (CST)
 From: Gabriel Dos Reis
 To: Tim Daly
-	
-	<200712180624.lBI6OR809474@localhost.localdomain>
-	
-	<200712180731.lBI7V3N09514@localhost.localdomain>
-Cc: open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, list
 Subject: Re: willful denial
 
 On Tue, 18 Dec 2007, root wrote:
@@ -9950,23 +8669,14 @@ On Tue, 18 Dec 2007, root wrote:
 
 That is utter plain wrong.  The compiler was named gcc -- I was there.
 
-
-
-
 The GCC on a Redhat Linux is different from the GCC on a SUSE Linux,
 and different from FSF GCC.  Yet, the commands are all named the same.
 
--- Gaby
-
-
-
 \start
-To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:39:11 -1100 (SST)
 From: Waldek Hebisch
-Cc: axiom-devel ,
-	open-axiom-devel 
-Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: Installation directory
+To: list
+Subject: Re: Re: Installation directory
 
 Martin Rubey wrote:
 > 
@@ -10022,21 +8732,12 @@ It is hard to second-guess what users will prefer, so we probably
 should give them choice -- I will post a modified (compromise) 
 patch on FriCAS list.
 
--- 
-                              Waldek Hebisch
-Waldek Hebisch 
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 07:56:20 +0100
+From: Michael.Abshoff
 To: Gabriel Dos Reis
-Subject: Re: [open-axiom-devel] Re:
-	[fricas-devel]	Installation directory
-	<87y7bsq1jn.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu>
-From: "Michael.Abshoff" 
-Cc: William Stein, list,
-	open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
+Subject: Re: Installation directory
+Cc: William Stein
 
 Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
 > Tim Daly writes:
@@ -10055,32 +8756,10 @@ Hello,
 we are well aware that the former axiom4sage.spkg, now renamed 
 fricas-0.3.1.spkg upon Tim's request, contained FriCAS and not Axiom.
 
-> -- Gaby
-
-Cheers,
-
-Michael
-
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-
-
-
-
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:04:06 -0600
+From: Tim Daly
 To: list
-Cc: 
 Subject: 20071217.01.acr.patch (7015)
 
 This patch by Arthur and Waldek fixes mathml rendering of hex.
@@ -10169,13 +8848,10 @@ index 3c217d0..4c8e827 100644
  ;;; replace-entities is a function that takes a string and 
  ;;; returns a new string that has special html entities replaced.
 
-
-
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:21:34 -0600
+From: Tim Daly
 To: list
-Cc: 
 Subject: 20071217.02.tpd.patch (7041) (7042)
 
 This patch fixes two failing tests in the regression test suite.
@@ -10224,23 +8900,16 @@ index 994aa3b..e9e5f02 100644
  --R   (4)  [x,a,z]
  --R                                       Type: List OrderedVariableList [x,a,z]
 
-
-
 \start
 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:23:47 -0800
 From: Arthur Ralfs
 To: list
-Message-id: 
-MIME-version: 1.0
-Priority: normal
-	recognized.
 Subject: axserver patch for lastType
 
-This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
-
-----232d739d98ef532b1f91
+Tim,
 
-Tim,

This patch is for axserver.spad.pamphlet to fix the lastType function which
wasn't doing the right thing.

Arthur

+This patch is for axserver.spad.pamphlet to fix the lastType function which
+wasn't doing the right thing.
 
 ----232d739d98ef532b1f91
 
@@ -10305,10 +8974,9 @@ bnRlcm5hbEhpc3RvcnlUYWJsZSRMaXNwKSRMaXNwKSRMaXNwCg==
 
 
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:49:11 -0600
-To: Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs
-Cc: list
+From: Tim Daly
+To: Arthur Ralfs
 Subject: axserver patch for lastType
 
 > This patch is for axserver.spad.pamphlet to fix the lastType function which
@@ -10317,22 +8985,11 @@ Subject: axserver patch for lastType
 Could you give me an example of the wrong thing / right thing so I can
 see that the patch was applied correctly?
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:20:49 -0800
 From: Arthur Ralfs
-Subject: Re: axserver patch for lastType
 To: Tim Daly
-Message-id: 
-MIME-version: 1.0
-Priority: normal
-	recognized.
-Cc: list
-
-
+Subject: Re: axserver patch for lastType
 
 > > This patch is for axserver.spad.pamphlet to fix the lastType 
 > function which
@@ -10358,18 +9015,11 @@ x         Type: Variable x
 x(1)  this is an error but still gives Type: Variable x,  with patch it
 gives no type.
 
-Arthur
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:04:56 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Arthur Ralfs
-	Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:20:49 -0800)
 Subject: Re: axserver patch for lastType
-	
-Cc: list
 
 Thanks for the test case.
 
@@ -10378,21 +9028,12 @@ Please try to get the lastest version out of silver when
 posting patches. I've been modifying the file for additional
 browser functionality so the silver version is moving.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:22:37 -0600
+From: Tim Daly
 To: list
-Cc: Arthur Ralfs Arthur Ralfs
 Subject: 20071218.01.acr.patch
-
-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:20:49 -0800
-From: Arthur Ralfs
-Subject: Re: axserver patch for lastType
-
+Cc: Arthur Ralfs
 
 > > This patch is for axserver.spad.pamphlet to fix the lastType 
 > function which
@@ -10504,15 +9145,10 @@ index 77910f1..6862900 100644
     lastStep():String ==
         string car(car(_$internalHistoryTable$Lisp)$Lisp)$Lisp
 
-
-
 \start
-To: fricas-devel ,
-	open-axiom-devel ,
-	axiom-devel 
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 20 Dec 2007 09:51:28 +0100
-Cc: 
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: list
 Subject: IssueTracker
 
 Dear all,
@@ -10534,18 +9170,10 @@ Should I split the bug report in two?  I believe I shouldn't, because this
 might confuse people who are referring to the bug with the IssueTracker number
 (as they should, in my opinion).  But I'm open for suggestions.
 
-Martin
-
-
-
-
 \start
-To: fricas-devel ,
-	open-axiom-devel ,
-	axiom-devel 
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 20 Dec 2007 12:09:28 +0100
-Cc: 
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: list
 Subject: Re: IssueTracker
 
 Dear all,
@@ -10575,17 +9203,10 @@ fixed, which are open.
 
 Thank you, and thank you Bill for your continued support,
 
-Martin
-
-
-
-
 \start
-To: axiom-devel ,
-	open-axiom-devel 
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 20 Dec 2007 18:47:04 +0100
-Cc: 
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: list
 Subject: Re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows
 
 Dear Tim, Gaby,
@@ -10605,19 +9226,11 @@ to have IssueTracker used as a common database of bugs.
 Unless, of course, the issue is fixed in all three versions of axiom:  Gaby,
 do HyperDOc and Graphics run on MS Windows for open-axiom?
 
-Martin
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:59:09 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Martin Rubey
-	Rubey on 20 Dec 2007 18:47:04 +0100)
 Subject: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows
-	<9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
 
 >> Status: fix proposed => closed 
 >> 
@@ -10646,17 +9259,10 @@ request.
 If you'd like to keep bugs in fix-proposed then list it as a Fricas
 or OpenAxiom bug report.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:13:39 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Martin Rubey
-	Rubey on 20 Dec 2007 18:47:04 +0100)
-	<9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: #325 Severe bug in normalize$EFSTRUC
 
 >> Status: fix proposed 
@@ -10687,21 +9293,11 @@ suite so we know we all get the same answers. I posted my regression
 test code and there are over 100 input files with known answers that
 can be automatically checked.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
-To: fricas-devel , list, 
-	open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
-Subject: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,
-	fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on
-	Windows
-	<9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202059.lBKKx9o11890@localhost.localdomain>
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 20 Dec 2007 21:30:48 +0100
-Cc: 
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: list
+Subject: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on	Windows
 
 Tim Daly writes:
 
@@ -10729,18 +9325,10 @@ Please propose such a name.  I cannot.  For me, the meta name is Axiom, and
 there happens to be a sub-project bearing the same name.  But that's my
 personal and biased view of things.
 
-Martin
-
-
-
-
 \start
-To: Tim Daly
-	<9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202113.lBKLDdZ11913@localhost.localdomain>
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 20 Dec 2007 21:38:30 +0100
-Cc: list
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Tim Daly
 Subject: Re: #325 Severe bug in normalize$EFSTRUC
 
 Tim Daly writes:
@@ -10754,24 +9342,11 @@ Tim Daly writes:
 Why don't you just diff efstruc.spad.pamphlet?  It seems that it was a
 side-effect of fixing #294, but I do not really know.
 
-Martin
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:11:40 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Martin Rubey
-	Rubey on 20 Dec 2007 21:30:48 +0100)
-Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,
-	fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on
-	Windows
-	<9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202059.lBKKx9o11890@localhost.localdomain>
-	<9q63ythzwn.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
-	list
+Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,	fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows
 
 >> >> Status: fix proposed => closed 
 >> >> 
@@ -10847,23 +9422,11 @@ is for Gaby's benefit.
 
 No-one else benefits. Nobody. 
 
-
-Tim
-
- 
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:13:47 -0500
 From: Cliff Yapp
-To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
-	<9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202059.lBKKx9o11890@localhost.localdomain>
-	<9q63ythzwn.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-Cc: list
-Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] a meta name for axiom,
-	open.axiom, fricas
+To: list
+Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas
 
 Martin Rubey wrote:
 
@@ -10878,21 +9441,11 @@ systems might be considered descendants of Scratchpad, and I don't think
 there is any longer a product called Scratchpad to be confused with
 them?  Or perhaps Scratchpad-Type systems if that's better?
 
-CY
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:56:06 -0800
 From: Ed Borasky
 To: Tim Daly
-Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,
-	fricas. was: Re: [Axiom-developer]
-	Re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on	Windows
-	<200712202211.lBKMBev11973@localhost.localdomain>
-	recognized.
-Cc: list
+Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas. was: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on	Windows
 
 root wrote:
 > Maintaining this confusion doesn't help the users. Imagine a new CAS
@@ -10910,21 +9463,11 @@ remaster by Dirk Eddelbuettel called "Quantian". There is no confusion
 on my machines simply because I don't need either FriCAS or OpenAxiom -- 
 and I haven't installed them -- and I don't intend to.
 
-
-
 \start
 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:06:50 -0500
 From: Bill Page
 To: Ed Borasky
-Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,
-	fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on
-	Windows
-	<9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202059.lBKKx9o11890@localhost.localdomain>
-	<9q63ythzwn.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202211.lBKMBev11973@localhost.localdomain>
-	<476B2B46.8010302@cesmail.net>
-Cc: list
+Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,	fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows
 
 On 12/20/07, Ed Borasky Ed Borasky wrote:
 > ... There is no confusion on my machines simply because I don't
@@ -10935,21 +9478,11 @@ On 12/20/07, Ed Borasky Ed Borasky wrote:
 So are you arguing against Tim's point of view? If there is no
 confusion then why all this concern over a name?
 
-Regards,
-Bill Page.
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:16:59 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Ed Borasky
-Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,
-	fricas. was: Re: [Axiom-developer]
-	Re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on	Windows
-	<200712202211.lBKMBev11973@localhost.localdomain>
-	<476B2B46.8010302@cesmail.net>
-Cc: list
+Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,	fricas. was: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows
 
 > Dirk Eddelbuettel called "Quantian"
 
@@ -10961,22 +9494,11 @@ thing up and running very quickly.
 
 Quantian is a nice piece of work.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:23:55 -0800
 From: Ed Borasky
 To: Tim Daly
-Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,
-	fricas. was: Re: [Axiom-developer]
-	Re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on	Windows
-	<200712202211.lBKMBev11973@localhost.localdomain>
-	<476B2B46.8010302@cesmail.net>
-	<200712210416.lBL4Gxt12191@localhost.localdomain>
-	recognized.
-Cc: list
+Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,	fricas. was: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows
 
 root wrote:
 >> Dirk Eddelbuettel called "Quantian"
@@ -11013,23 +9535,11 @@ if there's room, that's probably what I'll go with. For what I do --
 queuing theory mostly -- it has everything I need (matrices, Laplace 
 transforms and basic algebra and calculus).
 
-
-
 \start
 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:33:45 -0800
 From: Ed Borasky
 To: Bill Page
-Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,
-	fricas. was: Re: [Axiom-developer]
-	Re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows
-	<9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>	
-	<200712202059.lBKKx9o11890@localhost.localdomain>	
-	<9q63ythzwn.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>	
-	<200712202211.lBKMBev11973@localhost.localdomain>	
-	<476B2B46.8010302@cesmail.net>
-	
-	recognized.
-Cc: list
+Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas. was: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows
 
 Bill Page wrote:
 > On 12/20/07, Ed Borasky Ed Borasky wrote:
@@ -11064,20 +9574,12 @@ just don't think that's going to happen because of why the forks
 happened -- they came about for reasons other than the usefulness of the 
 core language for applied mathematics.
 
-In other words, "come back when you've got better math than Axiom". :)
-
-
+In other words, "come back when you've got better math than Axiom". :)
 
 \start
-To: Tim Daly
-	<9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202059.lBKKx9o11890@localhost.localdomain>
-	<9q63ythzwn.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202211.lBKMBev11973@localhost.localdomain>
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 21 Dec 2007 06:39:01 +0100
-Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
-	list
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Tim Daly
 Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas
 
 Tim Daly writes:
@@ -11116,23 +9618,11 @@ You are being very cooperative.
 
 Of course not. I'd call them all axiom.
 
-Martin
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:50:14 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Ed Borasky
-Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,
-	fricas. was: Re: [Axiom-developer]
-	Re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on	Windows
-	<200712202211.lBKMBev11973@localhost.localdomain>
-	<476B2B46.8010302@cesmail.net>
-	<200712210416.lBL4Gxt12191@localhost.localdomain>
-	<476B3FDB.20906@cesmail.net>
-Cc: list
+Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,	fricas. was: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows
 
 >A year or so ago I got a CD from ACM SIGSAM with a bunch of CAS on it, 
 >including, of course, Axiom. I don't remember what else was on there, 
@@ -11141,20 +9631,11 @@ Cc: list
 
 If that is the ISSAC CD I probably put that together also. -- Tim
 
-
-
 \start
 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:53:19 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Ed Borasky
-Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,
-	fricas. was: Re: [Axiom-developer]
-	Re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on	Windows
-	<200712202211.lBKMBev11973@localhost.localdomain>
-	<476B2B46.8010302@cesmail.net>
-	<200712210416.lBL4Gxt12191@localhost.localdomain>
-	<476B3FDB.20906@cesmail.net>
-Cc: list
+Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,	fricas. was: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows
 
 >BTW ... it's possible I'll have my One Laptop Per Child machine before 
 >the end of the year. The shipments have started, and I ordered early 
@@ -11170,26 +9651,11 @@ I'm trying to set up the sugar VMware environment for that.
 Axiom has run on a lap with 16 megs of memory. It will possibly 
 run on the OLPC, depending on the native support shipped.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:04:22 -0500
 From: Bill Page
 To: Ed Borasky
-Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,
-	fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on
-	Windows
-	<9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202059.lBKKx9o11890@localhost.localdomain>
-	<9q63ythzwn.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202211.lBKMBev11973@localhost.localdomain>
-	<476B2B46.8010302@cesmail.net>
-	
-	<476B4229.10201@cesmail.net>
-Cc: list, fricas-devel ,
-	OpenAxiom 
+Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,	fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows
 
 On 12/20/07, Ed Borasky wrote:
 > Bill Page wrote:
@@ -11295,23 +9761,10 @@ But in general my sincere wish is for a more collaborative,
 co-operative, less competitive and more unified environment. As you
 said: "a single Axiom".
 
-Regards,
-Bill Page.
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:09:34 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Martin Rubey
-	Rubey on 21 Dec 2007 06:39:01 +0100)
-	<9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202059.lBKKx9o11890@localhost.localdomain>
-	<9q63ythzwn.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202211.lBKMBev11973@localhost.localdomain>
-	<9qve6sehe2.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com,
-	open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas
 
 > Of course not. I'd call them all axiom.
@@ -11330,25 +9783,11 @@ local list is a superset of the "converged list" anyway so there was
 only a sense of cooperation to be gained by my efforts. Clearly that
 was wasted.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:20:22 -0800
 From: Ed Borasky
 To: Tim Daly
-Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,
-	fricas. was: Re: [Axiom-developer]
-	Re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on	Windows
-	<200712202211.lBKMBev11973@localhost.localdomain>
-	<476B2B46.8010302@cesmail.net>
-	<200712210416.lBL4Gxt12191@localhost.localdomain>
-	<476B3FDB.20906@cesmail.net>
-	<200712210653.lBL6rJi12245@localhost.localdomain>
-	recognized.
-Cc: list
+Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,	fricas. was: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows
 
 root wrote:
 >> BTW ... it's possible I'll have my One Laptop Per Child machine before 
@@ -11385,18 +9824,11 @@ without VMware Tools.
 
 If you have an RPM somewhere, I'll try to load it into my virtual machine.
 
-
-
 \start
 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:21:21 -0600 (CST)
 From: Gabriel Dos Reis
-To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
-	<9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202059.lBKKx9o11890@localhost.localdomain>
-	<9q63ythzwn.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at> <476B134B.20401@yahoo.com>
-Cc: list
-Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: a meta name for axiom,
-	open.axiom, fricas
+To: list
+Subject: Re: Re: a meta name for axiom,	open.axiom, fricas
 
 On Thu, 20 Dec 2007, C Y wrote:
 
@@ -11423,26 +9855,11 @@ someone other than NAG owns Axiom may be a joke.  Furthermore, I also
 learnt that `Open Axiom' or `OpenAxiom' was the name that was
 originally proposed.  I wasn't aware of that fact.
 
--- Gaby
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:26:40 -0600 (CST)
 From: Gabriel Dos Reis
-To: fricas-devel 
-Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas.
-	was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows
-	<9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202059.lBKKx9o11890@localhost.localdomain>
-	<9q63ythzwn.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202211.lBKMBev11973@localhost.localdomain>
-	<476B2B46.8010302@cesmail.net>
-	
-	<476B4229.10201@cesmail.net>
-	
-Cc: list,
-	OpenAxiom 
+To: fricas-devel < >
+Subject: Re: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows
 
 On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, Bill Page wrote:
 
@@ -11452,28 +9869,11 @@ On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, Bill Page wrote:
 Users need to set the AXIOm environement variable in order to run
 OpenAxiom.  By design.
 
--- Gaby
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:45:11 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Bill Page
-	(Bill Page)
-Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,
-	fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on
-	Windows
-	<9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202059.lBKKx9o11890@localhost.localdomain>
-	<9q63ythzwn.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202211.lBKMBev11973@localhost.localdomain>
-	<476B2B46.8010302@cesmail.net>
-	
-	<476B4229.10201@cesmail.net>
-	
-Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com,
-	open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
+Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,	fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows
 
 > There are no directory name clashes. I run all three side-by-side at
 
@@ -11485,19 +9885,11 @@ ability to install all three systems.
 You know this. You understood the email exchange between Gaby and I.
 Are you also in active denial?
 
-Tim
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:58:19 -0800 (PST)
 From: Cliff Yapp
-To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
-	10.2-10.4) (2)
-Cc: list
-Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: a meta name for axiom,
-	open.axiom, fricas
+To: list
+Subject: Re: Re: a meta name for axiom,	open.axiom, fricas
 
 --- Gabriel Dos Reis wrote:
 
@@ -11529,34 +9921,11 @@ something I don't.
 
 Interesting.
 
-CY
-
-
-      ____________________________________________________________________________________
-Be a better friend, newshound, and 
-know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.  Try it now.  http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ 
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:41:29 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Bill Page
-	(Bill Page)
-Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,
-	fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on
-	Windows
-	<9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202059.lBKKx9o11890@localhost.localdomain>
-	<9q63ythzwn.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202211.lBKMBev11973@localhost.localdomain>
-	<476B2B46.8010302@cesmail.net>
-	
-	<476B4229.10201@cesmail.net>
-	
-Cc: list, fricas-devel@googlegroups.com,
-	open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
+Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,	fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows
 
 >I believe that is what nearly everyone wants. However I am not sure if
 >this is what Tim wants since he specifically invited both Waldek and
@@ -11591,35 +9960,15 @@ that suggests throwing away the trunk for a branch. It appears from his
 email that Gaby was also involved in the GCC/EGCS fork so this is not
 the first time he's forked a project.
 
-
-
-
 I do notice that you seem to be quoting my opinions again.
 Would you like me to set up a branch for you to maintain my alternate opinions?
 
-Tim
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:05:41 -0500
 From: Bill Page
 To: Tim Daly
-Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,
-	fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on
-	Windows
-	<9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202059.lBKKx9o11890@localhost.localdomain>
-	<9q63ythzwn.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202211.lBKMBev11973@localhost.localdomain>
-	<476B2B46.8010302@cesmail.net>
-	
-	<476B4229.10201@cesmail.net>
-	
-	<200712211745.lBLHjBe12804@localhost.localdomain>
-Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
-	fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
+Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,	fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows
+	 
 
 On 12/21/07, root wrote:
 > > There are no directory name clashes. I run all three side-by-side at
@@ -11642,29 +9991,11 @@ systems.
 
 It's not me, Tim.
 
-Regards,
-Bill Page.
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:30:35 -0600 (CST)
 From: Gabriel Dos Reis
-To: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
-Subject: Re: [fricas-devel] Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas.
-	was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows
-	<9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202059.lBKKx9o11890@localhost.localdomain>
-	<9q63ythzwn.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202211.lBKMBev11973@localhost.localdomain>
-	<476B2B46.8010302@cesmail.net>
-	
-	<476B4229.10201@cesmail.net>
-	
-	<200712211745.lBLHjBe12804@localhost.localdomain>
-	
-Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
-
+To: list
+Subject: Re: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom, fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows
 
 Tim Daly wrote:
 
@@ -11678,16 +10009,10 @@ determination to spread FUD about others as simple ignorance that is
 simply taken care of by pointing to `shell scripts howot' and 
 Autoconf 101.
 
--- Gaby
-
-
-
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:47:30 -0600
-To: Gabriel Dos Reis,
-	Bill Page
-Cc: list
+From: Tim Daly
+To: Gabriel Dos Reis, Bill Page
 Subject: fact finding.
 
 It appears that you believe that your average user should be able to do:
@@ -11722,11 +10047,6 @@ sh-2.05b$
 works fine. The first line of configure says:
 #! /bin/sh
 
-
-
-
-
-
 Since Open-Axiom won't build I'm left with reading the sources.
 Further investigation reveals (from Makefile.pamphlet):
 
@@ -11752,17 +10072,12 @@ Open-Axiom using the command /usr/local/axiom
 Once I can build a new virtual machine I'll try to build OpenAxiom
 and verify that this is the case.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:25:03 -0500
 From: Bill Page
 To: Tim Daly
-Cc: list, Gabriel Dos Reis
 Subject: Re: fact finding.
+Cc: Gabriel Dos Reis
 
 On 12/21/07, Tim Daly wrote:
 > It appears that you believe that your average user should be
@@ -11872,16 +10187,10 @@ an installation prefix other than `/usr/local' using `--prefix',
 for instance `--prefix=$HOME'.
 ...
 
-Regards,
-Bill Page.
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:39:47 -0600 (CST)
 From: Gabriel Dos Reis
 To: Tim Daly
-Cc: open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net, list
 Subject: Re: fact finding.
 
 On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, Tim Daly wrote:
@@ -12043,20 +10352,11 @@ So, if you're using a system where "make" is not GNU Make, then try
 
 Send comments and suggestions to open-axiom-devel@lists.sf.net
 
-Gabriel Dos Reis
-
-
-
-
-
 \start
+Date: 21 Dec 2007 18:03:39 -0600
+From: Gabriel Dos Reis
 To: Martin Rubey
 Subject: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows
-	<9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-From: Gabriel Dos Reis
-Date: 21 Dec 2007 18:03:39 -0600
-Cc: axiom-devel ,
-	open-axiom-devel 
 
 Martin Rubey writes:
 
@@ -12068,28 +10368,11 @@ Martin --
   I do expect to work on the HyperDoc and Graphics issues for windows. 
 Many thanks for monitoring this.
 
--- Gaby
-
-
-
 \start
-To: Tim Daly
-Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,
-	fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run
-	on	Windows
-	<9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202059.lBKKx9o11890@localhost.localdomain>
-	<9q63ythzwn.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202211.lBKMBev11973@localhost.localdomain>
-	<476B2B46.8010302@cesmail.net>
-	
-	<476B4229.10201@cesmail.net>
-	
-	<200712211741.lBLHfTP12799@localhost.localdomain>
-From: Gabriel Dos Reis
 Date: 21 Dec 2007 19:28:34 -0600
-Cc: list, open-axiom-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
-	fricas-devel@googlegroups.com
+From: Gabriel Dos Reis
+To: Tim Daly
+Subject: Re: a meta name for axiom, open.axiom,	fricas. was: re: [#55] Axiom doesn't run on Windows
 
 Tim Daly writes:
 
@@ -12106,17 +10389,11 @@ from old gcc.
 Tim, at this point, you have emptied any credibility point that may be
 left. 
 
--- Gaby
-
-
-
 \start
-To: Cliff Yapp
-Subject: re: [fricas-devel] Re: a meta name for axiom,
-	open.axiom, fricas
-From: Gabriel Dos Reis
 Date: 21 Dec 2007 19:31:19 -0600
-Cc: fricas-devel@googlegroups.com, list
+From: Gabriel Dos Reis
+To: Cliff Yapp
+Subject: re: Re: a meta name for axiom,	open.axiom, fricas
 
 Cliff Yapp writes:
 
@@ -12135,26 +10412,10 @@ Cliff Yapp writes:
 
 s/difficulties/FUD from Tim/.
 
--- Gaby
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:10:07 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Gabriel Dos Reis
-	Reis on 21 Dec 2007 19:28:34 -0600)
-	<9qmys5dzs7.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202059.lBKKx9o11890@localhost.localdomain>
-	<9q63ythzwn.fsf_-_@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	<200712202211.lBKMBev11973@localhost.localdomain>
-	<476B2B46.8010302@cesmail.net>
-	
-	<476B4229.10201@cesmail.net>
-	
-	<200712211741.lBLHfTP12799@localhost.localdomain>
-	<87zlw3a56l.fsf@soliton.cs.tamu.edu>
-Cc: list
 Subject: QED.
 
 > Tim, at this point, you have emptied any credibility point that may be
@@ -12165,8 +10426,6 @@ credibility with me has risen quite likely as much as mine has
 fallen with you. You provided exactly the piece of information
 I was seeking, which proves my point. Thank you and QED.
 
-
-
 ...[snip]...
 
 After step 3.b., your should have a script called `axiom', in
@@ -12179,17 +10438,10 @@ in the shell.
 
 ...[snip]...
 
-Tim
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:38:45 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
-To: sage-devel@googlegroups.com
-	(William Stein)
-Cc: list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com
+To: William Stein
 Subject: Re: [sage-devel] "scholarly activity"?
 
 >I just noticed this email on the jmol developer mailing list.  See below.
@@ -12266,16 +10518,10 @@ a program, it would at least give a venue for presenting open source
 code in a reproducible, peer-reviewed (and therefore tenure-approved)
 format.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:54:53 +0100
 From: Ondrej Certik
-To: sage-devel@googlegroups.com
-	<200712250038.lBP0cjH22498@localhost.localdomain>
-Cc: list
+To: list
 Subject: Re: [sage-devel] Re: "scholarly activity"?
 
 On Dec 25, 2007 1:38 AM, Tim Daly wrote:
@@ -12363,14 +10609,10 @@ www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/00104655/
 
 impact factor is around 0.6, so not big, but it still counts as a publication.
 
-Ondrej
-
-
-
 \start
-To: axiom-devel 
-From: Stephen Wilson
 Date: 25 Dec 2007 14:26:42 -0500
+From: Stephen Wilson
+To: list
 Subject: [PATCH] fix typo in intloopReadConsole
 
 --=-=-=
@@ -12422,14 +10664,10 @@ index f2e570a..d3ebb9b 100644
 
 --=-=-=--
 
-
-
-
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:50:14 -0600
+From: Tim Daly
 To: list
-Cc: 
 Subject: 20071225.01.sxw.patch
 
 The )fin command was broken because the throw was to the symbol top-level
@@ -12464,12 +10702,9 @@ index f2e570a..d3ebb9b 100644
 
 
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:57:43 -0600
-To: Martin Rubey,
-	Arthur Ralfs" Arthur Ralfs,
-	Bill Page
-Cc: list
+From: Tim Daly
+To: Martin Rubey, Arthur Ralfs,	Bill Page
 Subject: unicode output
 
 The current firefox-based hyperdoc has the beginnings of a notebook-style
@@ -12525,21 +10760,10 @@ in the firefox notebook interface. Thus, nothing about Axiom need change.
 
 I'll try modifying the command line page to experiment with this.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:18:10 -0800
 From: Arthur Ralfs
 To: Tim Daly
-Message-id: 
-MIME-version: 1.0
-Priority: normal
-	recognized.
-Cc: list
 Subject: mathml fixes
 
 Tim,
@@ -12552,16 +10776,10 @@ differences between what you currently have in silver and what I'm
 working on.  Do you want me to synchronize completely with the silver
 version or just submit a patch for the sums and products things?
 
-Arthur
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 04:38:10 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: Arthur Ralfs
-	Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:18:10 -0800)
-Cc: list
 Subject: Re: mathml fixes
 
 >I have some fixes for mathml to deal with the issues concerning
@@ -12576,20 +10794,10 @@ Either would be fine, I guess. It depends on whether I understand
 why you are patching something so if there is a mismatch I can
 update correctly.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
-To: Bill Page
-	
-	<9qprxb138q.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 28 Dec 2007 14:55:43 +0100
-Cc: fricas-devel ,
-	open-axiom-devel ,
-	list
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Bill Page
 Subject: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues
 
 Dear Bill, *
@@ -12702,26 +10910,10 @@ chance of being resolved.
 
 easily reclassified.
 
-
-
-Comments welcome,
-
-Martin
-
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:47:30 -0500
 From: Bill Page
 To: Martin Rubey
-	
-	<9qprxb138q.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	
-	<9qy7be2aao.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-Cc: fricas-devel ,
-	open-axiom-devel ,
-	list
 Subject: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues
 
 On 28 Dec 2007 14:55:43 +0100, Martin Rubey wrote:
@@ -12902,23 +11094,10 @@ I think these can be deleted.
 I can imagine some good reasons why we should continue to classify
 some reports as "feature requests".
 
-Regards,
-Bill Page.
-
-
-
 \start
-To: Bill Page
-	
-	<9qprxb138q.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	
-	<9qy7be2aao.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 28 Dec 2007 18:16:05 +0100
-Cc: fricas-devel ,
-	open-axiom-devel ,
-	list
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Bill Page
 Subject: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues
 
 Dear Bill,
@@ -13008,23 +11187,10 @@ I do not understand that?  For every category we have a status "WishList".  If
 there is a feature request that does not fit into any of the categories, I
 guess we should revise them.
 
-Martin
-
-
-
-
 \start
-To: Bill Page,
-	fricas-devel ,
-	open-axiom-devel ,
-	list
-	
-	<9qprxb138q.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-	
-	<9qy7be2aao.fsf@aquin.mat.univie.ac.at>
-From: Martin Rubey
 Date: 29 Dec 2007 00:35:03 +0100
-Cc: 
+From: Martin Rubey
+To: Bill Page
 Subject: Re: Close Issues -> Close Fricas Issues
 
 Dear all,
@@ -13053,24 +11219,17 @@ I'm going to sleep now...
 Waldek, Gaby: is 370 fixed in FriCAS, open-axiom?  (I do not even know what the
 bug is.
 
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:57:17 -0800 (PST)
-From: TimDaly Tim Daly
+From: Tim Daly
 To: sage-devel 
-Cc: list
 Subject: Rosetta translations
 
 At  is a document that is
-designed
-to help users of new systems "translate" simple ideas from their
-current systems.
-(The source is at ). I do
-not know
-Sage well enough to update this information. Is there anyone here who
-can
+designed to help users of new systems "translate" simple ideas from
+their current systems.  (The source is at
+). I do not know Sage
+well enough to update this information. Is there anyone here who can
 propose Sage equivalent commands so they can be added to the document?
 It should only take a few minutes for an experienced Sage user.
 
@@ -13078,66 +11237,41 @@ Please send me email or post an updated version of the document
 somewhere.
 
 Such a translation would be a trivial introduction to Sage and could
-be added
-to the distribution.
-
-Tim Daly
-
-
-
+be added to the distribution.
 
 \start
 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:15:37 -0500
-From: "David Joyner" David Joyner
-To: TimDaly Tim Daly,
-	sage-devel , list
+From: David Joyner
+To: Tim Daly
 Subject: Re: Rosetta translations
-Cc: 
 
 I think this is a great idea.
 
 What distribution license does the rosetta tex file have?
 
 
-On 12/28/07, TimDaly Tim Daly wrote:
-> At  is a document that is
-> designed
-> to help users of new systems "translate" simple ideas from their
-> current systems.
-> (The source is at ). I do
-> not know
-> Sage well enough to update this information. Is there anyone here who
-> can
-> propose Sage equivalent commands so they can be added to the document?
-> It should only take a few minutes for an experienced Sage user.
->
+On 12/28/07, Tim Daly wrote:
+
+> At  is a document that
+> is designed to help users of new systems "translate" simple ideas
+> from their current systems.  (The source is at
+> ). I do not know Sage
+> well enough to update this information. Is there anyone here who can
+> propose Sage equivalent commands so they can be added to the
+> document?  It should only take a few minutes for an experienced Sage
+> user.
+
 > Please send me email or post an updated version of the document
 > somewhere.
->
-> Such a translation would be a trivial introduction to Sage and could
-> be added
-> to the distribution.
->
-> Tim Daly
->
->
->
-> _______________________________________________
-> Axiom-developer mailing list
-> list
-> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/axiom-developer
->
-
 
+> Such a translation would be a trivial introduction to Sage and could
+> be added to the distribution.
 
 \start
 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:22:10 -0500
 From: Tim Daly
 To: David Joyner
-	(David Joyner)
 Subject: Re: Rosetta translations
-	<8cf963450712281615i3056763bv698b2e37d2c7bdee@mail.gmail.com>
-Cc: list, sage-devel@googlegroups.com
 
 >I think this is a great idea.
 >
@@ -13149,23 +11283,12 @@ I'd like Sage to be in the list so people from other systems
 can have a clue what form they might type in Sage to get
 similar results.
 
-Tim
-
-
-
 \start
 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:21:16 -0800
 From: Arthur Ralfs
 To: Tim Daly
-Message-id: <4776F28C.2030605@shaw.ca>
-MIME-version: 1.0
-	recognized.
-Cc: list
 Subject: mathml sums and products patch
 
-This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
---------------000602070606010508050503
-
 Tim,
 
 This patch fixes some ambiguities in the display of sums and
@@ -13181,8 +11304,6 @@ The problems can be seen in the output from the following commands:
 4. sum(operator(f)(i),i=1..n)+1
 5. sum(operator(f)(i)+1,i=1..n)^3
 
-Arthur
-
 Note to Waldek if you notice this:  since the mathml code in Axiom and
  FriCAS has already diverged I'll be issuing a separate patch for FriCAS
 shortly.
@@ -13373,13 +11494,10 @@ shortly.
 
 --------------000602070606010508050503--
 
-
-
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:23:46 -0600
+From: Tim Daly
 To: list
-Cc: 
 Subject: 20071229.01.jap.patch (7054)
 
 This patch from Alfredo Portes removes hardcoded paths from several
@@ -13588,22 +11706,18 @@ index bd004ea..3a73f1c 100644
      
 
 
-
 \start
-From: Tim Daly
 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:10:23 -0600
+From: Tim Daly
 To: list
-MIME-version: 1.0
-	lBT3ANH7002627
-Cc: 
 Subject: 20071228.01.tpd.patch
 
 These are newly created pages for the new hyperdoc browser.
 
-They are the first pages in the Computer Algebra Test Suite=20
-branch under Topics.=20
+They are the first pages in the Computer Algebra Test Suite
+branch under Topics.
 
-This is hand-written mathml, generated from scratch, so there=20
+This is hand-written mathml, generated from scratch, so there
 might be some mistakes. Further efforts will involve connecting
 the pages to the supporting algebra pamphlets and developing a new
 CATS set of packages for Axiom.
@@ -13615,9 +11729,9 @@ shows up as a failure to stretch absolute value bars.
 Tim
 
 
-=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
-=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
-=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
+==========================
+==========================
+=====================
 diff --git a/changelog b/changelog
 index 01b91c6..812a22f 100644
 --- a/changelog
@@ -13627,7 +11741,7 @@ index 01b91c6..812a22f 100644
 +20071228 tpd src/hyper/bitmaps/gammacomplexinverse.png added
 +20071228 tpd src/hyper/bitmaps/gammacomplex.png added
 +20071228 tpd src/hyper/bitmaps/gammareal3.png added
-+20071228 tpd src/hyper/bitmaps/psi.png added=20
++20071228 tpd src/hyper/bitmaps/psi.png added
 +20071228 tpd src/hyper/bitmaps/loggamma.png added
  20071225 sxw src/interp/bookvol5 fix top-level typo
  20071218 acr src/algebra/axserver.spad fix lastType output re: errors
@@ -13662,7 +11776,7 @@ diff --git a/src/hyper/bookvol11.pamphlet b/src/hyper/bookvol11.pamphlet
 index 295ffe0..bd004ea 100644
 --- a/src/hyper/bookvol11.pamphlet
 +++ b/src/hyper/bookvol11.pamphlet
-@@ -414,6 +414,32 @@ PAGES=3Drootpage.xhtml \
+@@ -414,6 +414,32 @@ PAGES=rootpage.xhtml \
            aldorusersguidepage.xhtml \
            foundationlibrarydocpage.xhtml \
            topicspage.xhtml \
@@ -13696,356 +11810,356 @@ index 295ffe0..bd004ea 100644
            examplesexposedpage.xhtml \
            ugsyscmdpage.xhtml \
 @@ -878,7 +904,8 @@ the javascript can be added easily.
- <>=3D
- 
- 
-+      xmlns:xlink=3D"http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"
-+      xmlns:m=3D"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML">
+ <>=
+ 
+ 
++      xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"
++      xmlns:m="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML">
   
-   
    Axiom Documentation
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-   Name
+   Name
   
-  
+  
 +  Α
 +  913
 +  00391
 +  &Alpha;
 +  greek capital letter alpha
 + 
-+ 
++ 
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 +  914
 +  00392
 +  &Beta;
 +  greek capital letter beta
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  Γ
 +  915
 +  00393
 +  &Gamma;
 +  greek capital letter gamma
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  Δ
 +  916
 +  00394
 +  &Delta;
 +  greek capital letter delta
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  Ε
 +  917
 +  00395
 +  &Epsilon;
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 + 
-+ 
++ 
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 +  918
 +  00396
 +  &Zeta;
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 + 
-+ 
++ 
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 +  919
 +  00397
 +  &Eta;
 +  greek capital letter eta
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  Θ
 +  920
 +  00398
 +  &Theta;
 +  greek capital letter theta
 + 
-+ 
++ 
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 +  921
 +  00399
 +  &Iota;
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 + 
-+ 
++ 
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 +  922
 +  0039A
 +  &Kappa;
 +  greek capital letter kappa
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  Λ
 +  923
 +  0039B
 +  &Lambda;
 +  greek capital letter lambda
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  Μ
 +  924
 +  0039C
 +  &Mu;
 +  greek capital letter mu
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  Ν
 +  925
 +  0039D
 +  &Nu;
 +  greek capital letter nu
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  Ξ
 +  926
 +  0039E
 +  &Xi;
 +  greek capital letter xi
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  Ο
 +  927
 +  0039F
 +  &Omicron;
 +  greek capital letter omicron
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  Π
 +  928
 +  003A0
 +  &Pi;
 +  greek capital letter pi
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  Ρ
 +  929
 +  003A1
 +  &Rho;
 +  greek capital letter rho
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  Σ
 +  931
 +  003A3
 +  &Sigma;
 +  greek capital letter sigma
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  Τ
 +  932
 +  003A4
 +  &Tau;
 +  greek capital letter tau
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  Υ
 +  933
 +  003A5
 +  &Upsilon;
 +  greek capital letter upsilon
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  Φ
 +  934
 +  003A6
 +  &Phi;
 +  greek capital letter phi
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  Χ
 +  935
 +  003A7
 +  &Chi;
 +  greek capital letter chi
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  Ψ
 +  936
 +  003A8
 +  &Psi;
 +  greek capital letter psi
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  Ω
 +  937
 +  003A9
 +  &Omega;
 +  greek capital letter omega
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  α
 +  945
 +  003B1
 +  &alpha;
 +  greek small letter alpha
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  β
 +  946
 +  003B2
 +  &beta;
 +  greek small letter beta
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  γ
 +  947
 +  003B3
 +  &gamma;
 +  greek small letter gamma
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  δ
 +  948
 +  003B4
 +  &delta;
 +  greek small letter delta
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  ε
 +  949
 +  003B5
 +  &epsilon;
 +  greek small letter epsilon
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  ζ
 +  950
 +  003B6
 +  &zeta;
 +  greek small letter zeta
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  η
 +  951
 +  003B7
 +  &eta;
 +  greek small letter eta
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  θ
 +  952
 +  003B8
 +  &theta;
 +  greek small letter theta
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  ι
 +  953
 +  003B9
 +  &iota;
 +  greek small letter iota
 + 
-+ 
++ 
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 +  954
 +  003BA
 +  &kappa;
 +  greek small letter kappa
 + 
-+ 
++ 
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 +  955
 +  003BB
 +  &lambda;
 +  greek small letter lambda
 + 
-+ 
++ 
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 +  956
 +  003BC
 +  &mu;
 +  greek small letter mu
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  ν
 +  957
 +  003BD
 +  &nu;
 +  greek small letter nu
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  ξ
 +  958
 +  003BE
 +  &xi;
 +  greek small letter xi
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  ο
 +  959
 +  003BF
 +  &omicron;
 +  greek small letter omicron
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  π
 +  960
 +  003C0
 +  &pi;
 +  greek small letter pi
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  ρ
 +  961
 +  003C1
 +  &rho;
 +  greek small letter rho
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  ς
 +  962
 +  003C2
 +  &sigmaf;
 +  greek small letter final sigma
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  σ
 +  963
 +  003C3
 +  &sigma;
 +  greek small letter sigma
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  τ
 +  964
 +  003C4
 +  &tau;
 +  greek small letter tau
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  υ
 +  965
 +  003C5
 +  &upsilon;
 +  greek small letter upsilon
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  φ
 +  966
 +  003C6
 +  &phi;
 +  greek small letter phi
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  χ
 +  967
 +  003C7
 +  &chi;
 +  greek small letter chi
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  ψ
 +  968
 +  003C8
 +  &psi;
 +  greek small letter psi
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  ω
 +  969
 +  003C9
@@ -14054,126 +12168,126 @@ ascii"/>
 + 
 + --------------------
-+ 
++ 
    ¯
    175
    000AF
 @@ -1179,6 +1550,20 @@ is currently ignored.
    macron
   
-  
+  
 +  ±
 +  177
 +  000B1
 +  &plusmn;
 +  plus-or-minus sign
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  ×
 +  215
 +  000D7
 +  
 +  multiplication sign
 + 
-+ 
++ 
    è
    232
    000E8
 @@ -1207,6 +1592,13 @@ is currently ignored.
    horizontal ellipsis
   
-  
+  
 +  ⋯
 +  8943
 +  022EF
 +  
 +  midline horizontal ellipsis
 + 
-+ 
++ 
    ′
    8242
    02032
 @@ -1228,6 +1620,83 @@ is currently ignored.
    invisible times
   
-  
+  
 +  ℂ
 +  8450
 +  02102
 +  
 +  doube-struck captial c
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  ℍ
 +  8461
 +  0210D
 +  
 +  double-struck captial h
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  ℑ
 +  8465
 +  02111
 +  &image;
 +  black-letter captial i
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  ℓ
 +  8467
 +  02113
 +  
 +  script small l
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  ℕ
 +  8469
 +  02115
 +  
 +  double-struck captial n
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  ℙ
 +  8473
 +  02119
 +  
 +  double-struck captial p
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  ℚ
 +  8474
 +  0211A
 +  
 +  double-struck captial q
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  ℜ
 +  8476
 +  0211C
 +  &real;
 +  black-letter captial r
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  ℝ
 +  8477
 +  0211D
 +  
 +  double-struck captial r
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  ℤ
 +  8484
 +  02124
 +  
 +  double-struck captial z
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  ⅅ
 +  8517
 +  02145
 +  
 +  doube-struck captial d
 + 
-+ 
++ 
    ⅆ
    8518
    02146
@@ -14183,25 +12297,25 @@ tr>
  @
 +
  \subsection{aldorusersguidepage.xhtml}
- <>=3D
+ <>=
  <>
 @@ -5272,6 +5742,31 @@ the first k 20th powers.
  <>
  @
-=20
+
 +\subsection{cats.xhtml}
-+<>=3D
++<>=
 +<>
 + 
 + 
 +<>
-+  

++  

 +    CATS -- Computer Algebra Test Suite
 +  

 +

 +The Computer Algebra Test Suite is intended to show that Axiom conforms
 +to various published standards. Axiom implementations of these functions
-+are tested against reference publications.=20
++are tested against reference publications.
 +
 +In order to show standards compliance we need to examine Axiom's behavio=
 r
@@ -14211,50 +12325,50 @@ d
 +
 +The available test suites are:
 +
    
-+ 
  1. Gamma Function
    2. 
++ 
  2. Gamma Function
    3. 
 +

 +<>
 +@
 +
  \subsection{commandline.xhtml}
- <>=3D
+ <>=
  <>
 @@ -9256,6 +9751,20361 @@ the operations will have extra ones added at so=
 me stage.
  <>
  @
-=20
+
 +\subsection{dlmf.xhtml}
-+<>=3D
++<>=
 +<>
 + 
 + 
 +<>
-+  

-+   
++  

++   
 +    Digital Library of Mathematical Functions
 +   

 +   The Gamma Function by R. A. Askey and R. Roy
 +  

 +  

 +

-+The Gamma function is an extension of the factorial function to=20
-+real and complex numbers. For positive integers,=20
-+
-+ Γ
++The Gamma function is an extension of the factorial function to
++real and complex numbers. For positive integers,
++
++ Γ
 + 
 +  (
 +  n
 +  )
 + 
-+ =3D
++ =
 + 
 +  (
 +  n
 +  -
 +  1
 +  )
-+  !
++  !
 + 
 +.
 +

@@ -14266,50 +12380,50 @@ me stage.
 +
@@ -14317,13 +12431,13 @@ li>
 +@
 +
 +\subsection{dlmfapproximations.xhtml}
-+<>=3D
++<>=
 +<>
 + 
 + 
 +<>
-+  

-+   
++  

++   
 +    Digital Library of Mathematical Functions
 +   

 +   The Gamma Function -- Approximations
@@ -14340,14 +12454,14 @@ li>
 +
Rational Approximations

 +
 +

-+ 
++ 
 +  Cody and Hillstrom(1967)
 +  gives minimax rational approximations for
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   ln
 +   
-+    Γ
++    Γ
 +    
 +     (
 +     x
@@ -14355,8 +12469,8 @@ li>
 +    
 +   
 +  
-+  for the ranges=20
-+ 
++  for the ranges
++ 
 +  
 +   0.5
 +   ≤
@@ -14366,7 +12480,7 @@ li>
 +  
 + ,
 +
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   1.5
 +   ≤
@@ -14374,8 +12488,8 @@ li>
 +   ≤
 +   4
 +  
-+ ,=20
-+ 
++ ,
++ 
 +  
 +   4
 +   ≤
@@ -14384,25 +12498,25 @@ li>
 +   12
 +  
 + ; precision is variable.
-+ 
++ 
 +  Hart et.al.(1968)
 +  gives minimax polynomial and rational approximations to
 +
-+ 
++ 
 +  
-+   Γ
++   Γ
 +   
 +    (
 +    x
 +    )
 +   
 +  
-+  and=20
-+ 
++  and
++ 
 +  
 +   ln
 +   
-+    Γ
++    Γ
 +    
 +     (
 +     x
@@ -14412,7 +12526,7 @@ li>
 +  
 +  in the intervals
 +
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   0
 +   ≤
@@ -14420,9 +12534,9 @@ li>
 +   ≤
 +   1
 +  
-+ ,=20
++ ,
 +
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   8
 +   ≤
@@ -14430,9 +12544,9 @@ li>
 +   ≤
 +   1000
 +  
-+ ,=20
++ ,
 +
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   12
 +   ≤
@@ -14440,12 +12554,12 @@ li>
 +   ≤
 +   1000
 +  
-+ ; precision is variable.=20
++ ; precision is variable.
 +
-+ 
++ 
 +  Cody et.al.(1973)
-+  gives minimax rational approximations for=20
-+ 
++  gives minimax rational approximations for
++ 
 +  
 +   ψ
 +   
@@ -14454,9 +12568,9 @@ li>
 +    )
 +   
 +  
-+  for the ranges=20
++  for the ranges
 +
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   0.5
 +   ≤
@@ -14466,25 +12580,25 @@ li>
 +  
 +  and
 +
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   3
 +   ≤
 +   x
 +   <
-+   ∞
++   ∞
 +  
 + ; precision is variable.
 +

 +
-+
For additional approximations see=20
-+ 
++
For additional approximations see
++ 
 +  Hart et.al.(1968)
 + (Appendix B),
-+ 
++ 
 +  Luke(1975)
-+ (pp. 22=E2=80=9323), and=20
-+ 
++ (pp. 22=E2=80=9323), and
++ 
 +  Weniger(2003)
 + .
 +

@@ -14492,13 +12606,13 @@ li>
 +
Expansions in Chebyshev Series

 +
 +

-+ 
++ 
 +  Luke(1969)
-+ =20
-+ gives the coefficients to 20D for the Chebyshev-series expansions of=20
-+ 
++ 
++ gives the coefficients to 20D for the Chebyshev-series expansions of
++ 
 +  
-+   Γ
++   Γ
 +   
 +    (
 +    
@@ -14509,12 +12623,12 @@ li>
 +    )
 +   
 +  
-+ ,=20
-+ 
-+  
++ ,
++ 
++  
 +   1
 +   
-+    Γ
++    Γ
 +    
 +     (
 +     
@@ -14528,9 +12642,9 @@ li>
 +  
 + ,
 +
-+ 
++ 
 +  
-+   Γ
++   Γ
 +   
 +    (
 +    
@@ -14541,13 +12655,13 @@ li>
 +    )
 +   
 +  
-+ ,=20
++ ,
 +
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   ln
 +   
-+    Γ
++    Γ
 +    
 +     (
 +     
@@ -14559,9 +12673,9 @@ li>
 +    
 +   
 +  
-+ ,=20
++ ,
 +
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   ψ
 +   
@@ -14574,9 +12688,9 @@ li>
 +    )
 +   
 +  
-+ , and the first six derivatives of=20
++ , and the first six derivatives of
 +
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   ψ
 +   
@@ -14589,9 +12703,9 @@ li>
 +    )
 +   
 +  
-+  for=20
++  for
 +
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   0
 +   ≤
@@ -14599,17 +12713,17 @@ li>
 +   ≤
 +   1
 +  
-+ . These coefficients are reproduced in=20
-+ 
++ . These coefficients are reproduced in
++ 
 +  Luke(1975)
-+ .=20
++ .
 +
-+ 
++ 
 +  Clenshaw(1962)
-+  also gives 20D Chebyshev-series coefficients for=20
-+ 
++  also gives 20D Chebyshev-series coefficients for
++ 
 +  
-+   Γ
++   Γ
 +   
 +    (
 +    
@@ -14620,9 +12734,9 @@ li>
 +    )
 +   
 +  
-+  and its reciprocal for=20
++  and its reciprocal for
 +
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   0
 +   ≤
@@ -14630,19 +12744,19 @@ li>
 +   ≤
 +   1
 +  
-+ . See=20
-+ 
++ . See
++ 
 +  Luke(1975)
-+ (pp.=C2=A022=E2=80=9323) for additional expansions.
++ (pp.=C2;22=E2=80=9323) for additional expansions.
 +

 +
 +
Approximations in the Complex Plane

 +
-+
Rational approximations for=20
-+ 
-+  
++
Rational approximations for
++ 
++  
 +   
-+    Γ
++    Γ
 +    
 +     (
 +     
@@ -14662,9 +12776,9 @@ li>
 +    
 +   
 +  
-+ , where=20
++ , where
 +
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    A
@@ -14674,7 +12788,7 @@ li>
 +     )
 +    
 +   
-+   =3D
++   =
 +   
 +    
 +     
@@ -14685,7 +12799,7 @@ li>
 +      
 +      )
 +     
-+     
++     
 +      1
 +      2
 +     
@@ -14739,9 +12853,9 @@ li>
 +  
 + , and approximations for
 +
-+ 
++ 
 +  
-+   Γ
++   Γ
 +   
 +    (
 +    
@@ -14753,17 +12867,17 @@ li>
 +   
 +  
 +  based on the Pad=C3=A9 approximants for two forms of the inco=
-mplete=20
-+  gamma function are in=20
-+ 
+mplete
++  gamma function are in
++ 
 +  Luke(1969)
 + .
-+ 
++ 
 +  Luke(1975)
-+ (pp.=C2=A013=E2=80=9316) provides explicit rational approximations =
++ (pp.=C2;13=E2=80=9316) provides explicit rational approximations =
 for
 +
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    ψ
@@ -14782,13 +12896,13 @@ for
 +@
 +
 +\subsection{dlmfasymptoticexpansions.xhtml}
-+<>=3D
++<>=
 +<>
 + 
 + 
 +<>
-+  

-+   
++  

++   
 +    Digital Library of Mathematical Functions
 +   

 +   The Gamma Function -- Asymptotic Expansions
@@ -14805,21 +12919,21 @@ for
 +
 +
Poincar=C3=A9-Type Expansions

 +
-+
As=20
-+ 
++
As
++ 
 +  
 +   z
 +   →
-+   ∞
++   ∞
 +  
-+  in the sector=20
-+ 
++  in the sector
++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    |
 +    
 +     ph
-+     
++     
 +     z
 +    
 +    |
@@ -14845,15 +12959,15 @@ for
 + ,
 +

 +
-+
-+

-+ 
++
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
 +     ln
 +     
-+      Γ
++      Γ
 +      
 +       (
 +       z
@@ -14870,7 +12984,7 @@ for
 +        
 +         z
 +         -
-+         
++         
 +          
 +           1
 +           2
@@ -14881,7 +12995,7 @@ for
 +       
 +       
 +        ln
-+        
++        
 +        z
 +       
 +      
@@ -14890,7 +13004,7 @@ for
 +     
 +     +
 +     
-+      
++      
 +       
 +        1
 +        2
@@ -14911,13 +13025,13 @@ for
 +     +
 +     
 +      
-+       ∑
++       ∑
 +       
 +        k
-+        =3D
++        =
 +        1
 +       
-+       ∞
++       ∞
 +      
 +      
 +       
@@ -14962,9 +13076,9 @@ for
 + 
 +

 +
-+
-+

-+ 
++
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
@@ -14979,7 +13093,7 @@ for
 +    
 +     
 +      ln
-+      
++      
 +      z
 +     
 +     -
@@ -14993,13 +13107,13 @@ for
 +     -
 +     
 +      
-+       ∑
++       ∑
 +       
 +        k
-+        =3D
++        =
 +        1
 +       
-+       ∞
++       ∞
 +      
 +      
 +       
@@ -15028,7 +13142,7 @@ for
 + 
 +

 +
-+
For the Bernoulli numbers=20
++
For the Bernoulli numbers
 + 
 +  
 +   B
@@ -15041,13 +13155,13 @@ for
 + Also,
 +

 +
-+
-+

-+ 
++
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
-+     Γ
++     Γ
 +     
 +      (
 +      z
@@ -15057,7 +13171,7 @@ for
 +    ∼
 +    
 +     
-+      ⅇ
++      ⅇ
 +      
 +       -
 +       z
@@ -15079,7 +13193,7 @@ for
 +       
 +       )
 +      
-+      
++      
 +       1
 +       2
 +      
@@ -15088,13 +13202,13 @@ for
 +      (
 +      
 +       
-+        ∑
++        ∑
 +        
 +         k
-+         =3D
++         =
 +         0
 +        
-+        ∞
++        ∞
 +       
 +       
 +        
@@ -15115,28 +13229,28 @@ for
 + 
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
 +     g
 +     0
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    1
 +   
 +   ,
 +  
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
 +     g
 +     1
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
 +     1
 +     12
@@ -15145,14 +13259,14 @@ for
 +   ,
 +  
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
 +     g
 +     2
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
 +     1
 +     288
@@ -15161,14 +13275,14 @@ for
 +   ,
 +  
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
 +     g
 +     3
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
 +     -
 +     
@@ -15180,14 +13294,14 @@ for
 +   ,
 +  
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
 +     g
 +     4
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
 +     -
 +     
@@ -15199,14 +13313,14 @@ for
 +   ,
 +  
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
 +     g
 +     5
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
 +     1 63879
 +     2090 18880
@@ -15215,14 +13329,14 @@ for
 +   ,
 +  
 + 
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
 +     g
 +     6
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
 +     52 46819
 +     7 52467 96800
@@ -15232,15 +13346,15 @@ for
 + 
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
 +     g
 +     k
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
 +     
 +      2
@@ -15248,7 +13362,7 @@ for
 +     
 +      
 +       (
-+       
++       
 +        
 +         1
 +         2
@@ -15272,15 +13386,15 @@ for
 + 
 +

 +
-+
where=20
-+ 
++
where
++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    a
 +    0
 +   
-+   =3D
-+   =20
++   =
++   
 +    
 +     1
 +     2
@@ -15293,8 +13407,8 @@ for
 + , and
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
@@ -15310,7 +13424,7 @@ for
 +     
 +     +
 +     
-+      
++      
 +       
 +        1
 +        2
@@ -15331,7 +13445,7 @@ for
 +     
 +     +
 +     
-+      
++      
 +       
 +        1
 +        3
@@ -15351,10 +13465,10 @@ for
 +      
 +     
 +     +
-+     …
++     …
 +     +
 +     
-+      
++      
 +       
 +        1
 +        
@@ -15374,9 +13488,9 @@ for
 +      
 +     
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
-+     
++     
 +      
 +       1
 +       k
@@ -15396,8 +13510,8 @@ for
 + 
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   k
 +   ≥
@@ -15407,61 +13521,61 @@ for
 +

 +
 +

-+ 
++ 
 +    Wrench(1968)
-+  gives exact values of=20
-+ 
++  gives exact values of
++ 
 +  
 +   g
 +   k
 +  
-+  up to=20
-+ 
++  up to
++ 
 +  
 +   g
 +   20
 +  
 + .
-+ 
++ 
 +  Spira(1971)
-+ =20
++ 
 + corrects errors in Wrench's results and also supplies exact and 45D val=
-ues of=20
-+ 
+ues of
++ 
 +  
 +   g
 +   k
 +  
-+  for=20
-+ 
++  for
++ 
 +  
 +   k
-+   =3D
++   =
 +   
 +    21
 +    ,
 +    22
 +    ,
-+    …
++    …
 +    ,
 +    30
 +   
 +  
-+ . For an asymptotic expansion of=20
-+ 
++ . For an asymptotic expansion of
++ 
 +  
 +   g
 +   k
 +  
-+  as=20
-+ 
++  as
++ 
 +  
 +   k
 +   →
-+   ∞
++   ∞
 +  
-+  see=20
-+ Boyd(199=
++  see
++ Boyd(199=
 4)
 + .
 +

@@ -15469,12 +13583,12 @@ ues of=20
 +
With the same conditions
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
-+     Γ
++     Γ
 +     
 +      (
 +      
@@ -15497,7 +13611,7 @@ ues of=20
 +      
 +     
 +     
-+      ⅇ
++      ⅇ
 +      
 +       -
 +       
@@ -15527,7 +13641,7 @@ ues of=20
 +       -
 +       
 +        (
-+        
++        
 +         1
 +         2
 +        
@@ -15541,11 +13655,11 @@ ues of=20
 + 
 +

 +
-+
where=20
-+ 
++
where
++ 
 +  
 +   a
-+   =20
++   
 +    (
 +    
 +     
@@ -15555,8 +13669,8 @@ ues of=20
 +    )
 +   
 +  
-+  and=20
-+ 
++  and
++ 
 +  
 +   b
 +   
@@ -15564,7 +13678,7 @@ ues of=20
 +    
 +     
 +     ∈
-+     ℂ
++     ℂ
 +    
 +    )
 +   
@@ -15572,14 +13686,14 @@ ues of=20
 +  are both fixed, and
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
 +     ln
 +     
-+      Γ
++      Γ
 +      
 +       (
 +       
@@ -15604,7 +13718,7 @@ ues of=20
 +          h
 +         
 +         -
-+         
++         
 +          
 +           1
 +           2
@@ -15623,7 +13737,7 @@ ues of=20
 +     
 +     +
 +     
-+      
++      
 +       
 +        1
 +        2
@@ -15644,13 +13758,13 @@ ues of=20
 +     +
 +     
 +      
-+       ∑
++       ∑
 +       
 +        k
-+        =3D
++        =
 +        2
 +       
-+       ∞
++       ∞
 +      
 +      
 +       
@@ -15705,8 +13819,8 @@ ues of=20
 + 
 +

 +
-+
where=20
-+ 
++
where
++ 
 +  
 +   h
 +   
@@ -15730,34 +13844,34 @@ ues of=20
 +  is fixed.
 +

 +
-+
Also as=20
-+ 
++
Also as
++ 
 +  
 +   y
 +   →
 +   
 +    ±
-+    ∞
++    ∞
 +   
 +  
 + ,
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
-+   =20
++   
 +    
 +     |
 +     
-+      Γ
++      Γ
 +      
 +       (
 +       
 +        x
 +        +
 +        
-+         ⅈ
++         ⅈ
 +         y
 +        
 +       
@@ -15785,7 +13899,7 @@ ues of=20
 +       -
 +       
 +        (
-+        
++        
 +         1
 +         2
 +        
@@ -15794,10 +13908,10 @@ ues of=20
 +      
 +     
 +     
-+      ⅇ
++      ⅇ
 +      
 +       -
-+       
++       
 +        
 +         π
 +         
@@ -15816,21 +13930,21 @@ ues of=20
 + 
 +

 +
-+
uniformly for bounded real values of=20
-+ 
++
uniformly for bounded real values of
++ 
 +  x
 + .
 +

 +
 +
Error Bounds and Exponential Improvement

 +
-+
If the sums in the expansions=20
-+(Equation 1) and=20
-+(Equation 2) are terminated at=20
-+ 
++
If the sums in the expansions
++(Equation 1) and
++(Equation 2) are terminated at
++ 
 +  
 +   k
-+   =3D
++   =
 +   
 +    n
 +    -
@@ -15838,24 +13952,24 @@ ues of=20
 +   
 +  
 +  (
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   k
 +   ≥
 +   0
 +  
-+ ) and=20
-+ 
++ ) and
++ 
 +  z
-+ =20
++ 
 +is real and positive, then the remainder terms are bounded in magnitude =
-by=20
-+the first neglected terms and have the same sign. If=20
-+ 
+by
++the first neglected terms and have the same sign. If
++ 
 +  z
-+ =20
-+is complex, then the remainder terms are bounded in magnitude by=20
-+ 
++ 
++is complex, then the remainder terms are bounded in magnitude by
++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    sec
@@ -15873,16 +13987,16 @@ by=20
 +      
 +      
 +       ph
-+       
++       
 +       z
 +      
 +     
 +     )
 +    
 +   
-+   for=20
-+(Equation 1), and
-+ 
++   for
++(Equation 1), and
++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    sec
@@ -15904,37 +14018,37 @@ by=20
 +     
 +     
 +      ph
-+      
++      
 +      z
 +     
 +    
 +    )
 +   
 +  
-+  for=20
-+(Equation 2), times the first neglected terms=
++  for
++(Equation 2), times the first neglected terms=
 .

 +
-+
For the remainder term in=20
-+(Equation 3) write
++
For the remainder term in
++(Equation 3) write
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
-+     Γ
++     Γ
 +     
 +      (
 +      z
 +      )
 +     
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
 +     
-+      ⅇ
++      ⅇ
 +      
 +       -
 +       z
@@ -15956,7 +14070,7 @@ by=20
 +       
 +       )
 +      
-+      
++      
 +       1
 +       2
 +      
@@ -15966,10 +14080,10 @@ by=20
 +      
 +        
 +        
-+         ∑
++         ∑
 +          
 +          k
-+          =3D
++          =
 +          0
 +         
 +         
@@ -16010,11 +14124,11 @@ by=20
 + 
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   K
-+   =3D
++   =
 +   
 +    1
 +    ,
@@ -16022,7 +14136,7 @@ by=20
 +    ,
 +    3
 +    ,
-+    …
++    …
 +   
 +  
 + .
@@ -16031,8 +14145,8 @@ by=20
 +
Then
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
@@ -16071,7 +14185,7 @@ by=20
 +        )
 +       
 +       
-+        Γ
++        Γ
 +        
 +         (
 +         K
@@ -16112,7 +14226,7 @@ by=20
 +       1
 +       +
 +       
-+        min
++        min
 +        
 +          (
 +          
@@ -16122,7 +14236,7 @@ by=20
 +             (
 +             
 +              ph
-+              
++              
 +              z
 +             
 +             )
@@ -16133,7 +14247,7 @@ by=20
 +            2
 +            
 +             K
-+             
++             
 +             
 +              1
 +              2
@@ -16154,8 +14268,8 @@ by=20
 + 
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    |
@@ -16180,8 +14294,8 @@ by=20
 +
 +
Ratios

 +
-+
If=20
-+ 
++
If
++ 
 +  
 +   a
 +   
@@ -16189,13 +14303,13 @@ by=20
 +    
 +     
 +     ∈
-+     ℂ
++     ℂ
 +    
 +    )
 +   
 +  
-+  and=20
-+ 
++  and
++ 
 +  
 +   b
 +   
@@ -16203,26 +14317,26 @@ by=20
 +    
 +     
 +     ∈
-+     ℂ
++     ℂ
 +    
 +    )
 +   
 +  
-+  are fixed as=20
-+ 
++  are fixed as
++ 
 +  
 +   z
 +   →
-+   ∞
++   ∞
 +  
 +  in
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    |
 +    
 +     ph
-+     
++     
 +     z
 +    
 +    |
@@ -16248,13 +14362,13 @@ by=20
 + , then
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
 +     
-+      Γ
++      Γ
 +      
 +       (
 +       
@@ -16266,7 +14380,7 @@ by=20
 +      
 +     
 +     
-+      Γ
++      Γ
 +      
 +       (
 +       
@@ -16292,13 +14406,13 @@ by=20
 + 
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
 +     
-+      Γ
++      Γ
 +      
 +       (
 +       
@@ -16310,7 +14424,7 @@ by=20
 +      
 +     
 +     
-+      Γ
++      Γ
 +      
 +       (
 +       
@@ -16334,13 +14448,13 @@ by=20
 +     
 +     
 +      
-+       ∑
++       ∑
 +       
 +        k
-+        =3D
++        =
 +        0
 +       
-+       ∞
++       ∞
 +      
 +      
 +       
@@ -16370,11 +14484,11 @@ by=20
 + 
 +

 +
-+
Also, with the added condition=20
-+ 
++
Also, with the added condition
++ 
 +  
 +   
-+    ℜ
++    ℜ
 +    
 +     (
 +     
@@ -16391,13 +14505,13 @@ by=20
 + ,
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
 +     
-+      Γ
++      Γ
 +      
 +       (
 +       
@@ -16409,7 +14523,7 @@ by=20
 +      
 +     
 +     
-+      Γ
++      Γ
 +      
 +       (
 +       
@@ -16452,13 +14566,13 @@ by=20
 +     
 +     
 +      
-+       ∑
++       ∑
 +       
 +        k
-+        =3D
++        =
 +        0
 +       
-+       ∞
++       ∞
 +      
 +      
 +       
@@ -16520,8 +14634,8 @@ by=20
 +
Here
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
@@ -16539,13 +14653,13 @@ by=20
 +      )
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++ 
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++       =
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++      ∞
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++       !
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++      Γ
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 +       
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 +@
 +
 +\subsection{dlmfbarnesgfunction.xhtml}
-+<>=3D
++<>=
 +<>
 + 
 + 
 +<>
-+  

-+   
++  

++   
 +    Digital Library of Mathematical Functions
 +   

 +   The Gamma Function -- Barnes G-Function (Double Gamma Function)
 +  

 +  

-+
Barnes=20
-+ 
-+  G
++
Barnes
++ 
++  G
 + -Function (Double Gamma Function)
 +

 +
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-+ 
++

++ 
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++      Γ
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 +       z
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++     
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++     ⋯
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 +            
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 +         
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++          
 +           
 +            1
 +            2
@@ -17412,13 +15526,13 @@ by=20
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++       ∏
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 +        k
-+        =3D
++        =
 +        1
 +       
-+       ∞
++       ∞
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 +      (
 +      
@@ -17470,13 +15584,13 @@ by=20
 + 
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-+ 
++

++ 
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 +   
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-+     
++     
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 +      
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++    =
 +    
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++        
 +         
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 +          2
 +         
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++        
 +        z
-+        
++        
 +        
 +         ln
 +         
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 +       
 +       -
 +       
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++        
 +         
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 +          2
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++        
 +        z
-+        
++        
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 +         
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 +      
 +       z
-+       
++       
 +       
 +        Ln
-+        
++        
 +        
-+         Γ
++         Γ
 +         
 +          (
 +          
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 +      
 +      
 +       Ln
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++       
 +       
-+        Γ
++        Γ
 +        
 +         (
 +         
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 +        
 +       
 +      
-+      
++      
 +      
-+       ⅆ
++       ⅆ
 +       t
 +      
 +     
@@ -17595,29 +15709,29 @@ by=20
 + 
 +

 +
-+
The=20
-+ 
++
The
++ 
 +  Ln
 + 's have their principal values on the positive real axis and a=
 re
 +             continued via continuity.
 +

 +
-+
When=20
-+ 
++
When
++ 
 +  
 +   z
 +   →
-+   ∞
++   ∞
 +  
-+  in=20
-+ 
++  in
++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    |
 +    
 +     ph
-+     
++     
 +     z
 +    
 +    |
@@ -17643,13 +15757,13 @@ re
 + 
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
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++     
 +     
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 +      
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 +     
 +      
 +       
-+        
++        
 +         
 +          1
 +          4
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 +       +
 +       
 +        z
-+        
++        
 +        
-+         Γ
++         Γ
 +         
 +          (
 +          
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 +        (
 +        
 +         
-+          
++          
 +           
 +            1
 +            2
 +           
 +          
-+          
++          
 +          z
-+          
++          
 +          
 +           (
 +           
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 +          
 +         
 +         +
-+         
++         
 +          
 +           1
 +           12
@@ -17732,10 +15846,10 @@ re
 +        
 +        )
 +       
-+       
++       
 +       
 +        Ln
-+        
++        
 +        z
 +       
 +      
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 +     +
 +     
 +      
-+       ∑
++       ∑
 +       
 +        k
-+        =3D
++        =
 +        1
 +       
-+       ∞
++       ∞
 +      
 +      
 +       
@@ -17811,11 +15925,11 @@ re
 + 
 +

 +
-+
see=20
-+
++
see
++
 + Ferreira and L=C3=B3pez(2001)
-+. This reference also provides bounds for the error term. Here=20
-+ 
++. This reference also provides bounds for the error term. Here
++ 
 +  
 +   B
 +   
@@ -17827,26 +15941,26 @@ re
 +    2
 +   
 +  
-+  is the Bernoulli number,  and=20
-+ 
++  is the Bernoulli number,  and
++ 
 +  A
 +  is Glaisher's constant, given by
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    A
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
-+     ⅇ
++     ⅇ
 +     C
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
 +     1.28242 71291 00622 63687
-+     …
++     …
 +    
 +   
 +  
@@ -17856,19 +15970,19 @@ re
 +
where
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    C
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
 +     
-+      lim
++      lim
 +      
 +       n
 +       →
-+       ∞
++       ∞
 +      
 +     
 +     
@@ -17877,19 +15991,19 @@ re
 +       
 +        
 +         
-+          ∑
++          ∑
 +          
 +           k
-+           =3D
++           =
 +           1
 +          
 +          n
 +         
 +         k
-+         
++         
 +         
 +          ln
-+          
++          
 +          k
 +         
 +        
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 +          (
 +          
 +           
-+            
++            
 +             
 +              1
 +              2
@@ -17912,7 +16026,7 @@ re
 +           
 +           +
 +           
-+            
++            
 +             
 +              1
 +              2
@@ -17921,7 +16035,7 @@ re
 +            n
 +           
 +           +
-+           
++           
 +            
 +             1
 +             12
@@ -17930,17 +16044,17 @@ re
 +          
 +          )
 +         
-+         
++         
 +         
 +          ln
-+          
++          
 +          n
 +         
 +        
 +       
 +       +
 +       
-+        
++        
 +         
 +          1
 +          4
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 +      )
 +     
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
 +     
 +      
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 +      
 +     
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
 +     
 +      1
@@ -18024,8 +16138,8 @@ re
 + 
 +

 +
-+
and=20
-+ 
++
and
++ 
 +  
 +   ζ
 +   ′
@@ -18033,22 +16147,22 @@ re
 +  is the derivative of the zeta function
 +

 +
-+
For Glaisher's constant see also=20
-+ 
++
For Glaisher's constant see also
++ 
 +  Greene and Knuth(1982)
-+ (p.=C2=A0100).
++ (p.=C2;100).
 +

 +<>
 +@
 +
 +\subsection{dlmfbetafunction.xhtml}
-+<>=3D
++<>=
 +<>
 + 
 + 
 +<>
-+  

-+   
++  

++   
 +    Digital Library of Mathematical Functions
 +   

 +   The Gamma Function -- Beta Function
@@ -18057,22 +16171,22 @@ re
 +
Beta Function

 +
 +
In this section all fractional powers have their principal values, ex=
-cept=20
+cept
 +where noted otherwise. In the next 4 equations it is assumed
-+ 
++ 
 +  
 +   
-+    ℜ=20
++    ℜ
 +    a
 +   
 +   >
 +   0
 +  
-+  and=20
-+ 
++  and
++ 
 +  
 +   
-+    ℜ
++    ℜ
 +    b
 +   
 +   >
@@ -18083,12 +16197,12 @@ cept=20
 +
 +
Euler's Beta Integral

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
-+     B
++     B
 +     
 +      (
 +      
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 +      )
 +     
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
 +     
 +      ∫
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 +      
 +     
 +     
-+      ⅆ
++      ⅆ
 +      t
 +     
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
 +     
 +      
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++       Γ
 +       
 +        (
 +        a
@@ -18147,7 +16261,7 @@ cept=20
 +       
 +      
 +      
-+       Γ
++       Γ
 +       
 +        (
 +        b
@@ -18156,7 +16270,7 @@ cept=20
 +      
 +     
 +     
-+      Γ
++      Γ
 +      
 +       (
 +       
@@ -18173,15 +16287,15 @@ cept=20
 + 
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
 +     
 +      ∫
 +      0
-+      
++      
 +       π
 +       2
 +      
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 +      θ
 +     
 +     
-+      ⅆ
++      ⅆ
 +      θ
 +     
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
-+     
++     
 +      
 +       1
 +       2
 +      
 +     
 +     
-+      B
++      B
 +      
 +       (
 +       
@@ -18245,15 +16359,15 @@ cept=20
 + 
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
 +     
 +      ∫
 +      0
-+      ∞
++      ∞
 +     
 +     
 +      
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 +        
 +       
 +       
-+        ⅆ
++        ⅆ
 +        t
 +       
 +      
@@ -18288,9 +16402,9 @@ cept=20
 +      
 +     
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
-+     B
++     B
 +     
 +      (
 +      
@@ -18306,8 +16420,8 @@ cept=20
 + 
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
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 +      
 +     
 +     
-+      ⅆ
++      ⅆ
 +      t
 +     
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
 +     
-+      B
++      B
 +      
 +       (
 +       
@@ -18407,8 +16521,8 @@ cept=20
 + 
 +

 +
-+
with=20
-+ 
++
with
++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    |
@@ -18424,15 +16538,15 @@ cept=20
 +  and the integration path along the real axis.
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
 +     
 +      ∫
 +      0
-+      
++      
 +       π
 +       2
 +      
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 +       (
 +       
 +        cos
-+        
++        
 +        t
 +       
 +       )
@@ -18465,11 +16579,11 @@ cept=20
 +      
 +     
 +     
-+      ⅆ
++      ⅆ
 +      t
 +     
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
 +     
 +      π
@@ -18483,7 +16597,7 @@ cept=20
 +      
 +       a
 +       
-+        B
++        B
 +        
 +         (
 +         
@@ -18536,11 +16650,11 @@ cept=20
 + 
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
-+    ℜ
++    ℜ
 +    a
 +   
 +   >
@@ -18549,8 +16663,8 @@ cept=20
 + ,
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
@@ -18564,7 +16678,7 @@ cept=20
 +       (
 +       
 +        sin
-+        
++        
 +        t
 +       
 +       )
@@ -18576,19 +16690,19 @@ cept=20
 +      
 +     
 +     
-+      ⅇ
++      ⅇ
 +      
-+       ⅈ
++       ⅈ
 +       b
 +       t
 +      
 +     
 +     
-+      ⅆ
++      ⅆ
 +      t
 +     
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
 +     
 +      π
@@ -18603,10 +16717,10 @@ cept=20
 +     
 +     
 +      
-+       ⅇ
-+       
++       ⅇ
++       
 +        
-+         ⅈ
++         ⅈ
 +         π
 +         b
 +        
@@ -18616,7 +16730,7 @@ cept=20
 +      
 +       a
 +       
-+        B
++        B
 +        
 +         (
 +         
@@ -18669,11 +16783,11 @@ cept=20
 + 
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
-+    ℜ
++    ℜ
 +    a
 +   
 +   >
@@ -18682,15 +16796,15 @@ cept=20
 + ,
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
 +     
 +      ∫
 +      0
-+      ∞
++      ∞
 +     
 +     
 +      
@@ -18710,7 +16824,7 @@ cept=20
 +        (
 +        
 +         cosh
-+         
++         
 +         t
 +        
 +        )
@@ -18721,13 +16835,13 @@ cept=20
 +       
 +      
 +     
-+     
++     
 +     
-+      ⅆ
++      ⅆ
 +      t
 +     
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
 +     
 +      4
@@ -18738,7 +16852,7 @@ cept=20
 +      
 +     
 +     
-+      B
++      B
 +      
 +       (
 +       
@@ -18763,18 +16877,18 @@ cept=20
 + 
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
-+    ℜ
++    ℜ
 +    a
 +   
 +   >
 +   
 +    |
 +    
-+     ℜ
++     ℜ
 +     b
 +    
 +    |
@@ -18783,9 +16897,9 @@ cept=20
 + .
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
-+  =20
++

++ 
++  
 +   
 +    
 +     
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 +       ∫
 +       
 +        -
-+        ∞
++        ∞
 +       
-+       ∞
++       ∞
 +      
 +      
 +       
-+        ⅆ
++        ⅆ
 +        t
 +       
 +       
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 +           w
 +           +
 +           
-+            ⅈ
++            ⅈ
 +            t
 +           
 +          
@@ -18832,7 +16946,7 @@ cept=20
 +           z
 +           -
 +           
-+            ⅈ
++            ⅈ
 +            t
 +           
 +          
@@ -18844,7 +16958,7 @@ cept=20
 +      
 +     
 +    
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++    =
 +    
 +     
 +      
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 +       )
 +      
 +      
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++       B
 +       
 +        (
 +        
@@ -18897,11 +17011,11 @@ cept=20
 + 
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
-+    ℜ
++    ℜ
 +    
 +     (
 +     
@@ -18915,21 +17029,21 @@ cept=20
 +   >
 +   1
 +  
-+ ,=20
-+ 
++ ,
++ 
 +  
 +   
-+    ℜ
++    ℜ
 +    w
 +   
 +   >
 +   0
 +  
-+ ,=20
-+ 
++ ,
++ 
 +  
 +   
-+    ℜ
++    ℜ
 +    z
 +   
 +   >
@@ -18938,15 +17052,15 @@ cept=20
 + 
 +

 +
-+
The fractional powers have their principal values when=20
-+ 
++
The fractional powers have their principal values when
++ 
 +  
 +   w
 +   >
 +   0
 +  
-+  and=20
-+ 
++  and
++ 
 +  
 +   z
 +   >
@@ -18955,8 +17069,8 @@ cept=20
 + , and are continued via continuity.
 +

 +
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-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
@@ -18965,7 +17079,7 @@ cept=20
 +      
 +       2
 +       π
-+       ⅈ
++       ⅈ
 +      
 +     
 +     
@@ -18975,18 +17089,18 @@ cept=20
 +        c
 +        -
 +        
-+         ∞
-+         
-+         ⅈ
++         ∞
++         
++         ⅈ
 +        
 +       
 +       
 +        c
 +        +
 +        
-+         ∞
-+         
-+         ⅈ
++         ∞
++         
++         ⅈ
 +        
 +       
 +      
@@ -19017,18 +17131,18 @@ cept=20
 +       
 +      
 +      
-+       ⅆ
++       ⅆ
 +       t
 +      
 +     
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
 +     1
 +     
 +      b
 +      
-+       B
++       B
 +       
 +        (
 +        
@@ -19046,20 +17160,20 @@ cept=20
 + 
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
-+  =20
++

++ 
++  
 +   0
 +   <
 +   c
 +   <
 +   1
 +  
-+ ,=20
-+ 
++ ,
++ 
 +  
 +   
-+    ℜ
++    ℜ
 +    
 +     (
 +     
@@ -19076,8 +17190,8 @@ cept=20
 + 
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
 +    
@@ -19086,7 +17200,7 @@ cept=20
 +      
 +       2
 +       π
-+       ⅈ
++       ⅈ
 +      
 +     
 +     
@@ -19127,12 +17241,12 @@ cept=20
 +       
 +      
 +      
-+       ⅆ
++       ⅆ
 +       t
 +      
 +     
 +    
-+    =3D
++    =
 +    
 +     
 +      
@@ -19149,7 +17263,7 @@ cept=20
 +      π
 +     
 +     
-+      B
++      B
 +      
 +       (
 +       
@@ -19166,11 +17280,11 @@ cept=20
 + 
 +

 +
-+

-+ 
++

++ 
 +  
 +   
-+    ℜ
++    ℜ
 +    a
 +   
 +   >
@@ -19179,25 +17293,25 @@ cept=20
 + ,
 +

 +
-+

++

 +